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Updated Updated 06/09/13 04:25:06 PM
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August 29, 2006 @ 4:54 PM
 
As the catch phrase for the past decade WWJD comes to mind

DEAR EDITOR, PLEASE KEEP MY NAME AND EMAIL WITHHELD , THANK YOU
I have been reading up on the situation at FBCC. Being a past member of the church I am saddened to hear of the current events that have taken place. Although I am not too surprised. Years ago before the " Harber" reign, FBCC was a loving, growing, spirit filled church. 
As is the policy of LNO, the remainder of this email has been removed because we were unable to confirm the email address.  If this is your email, you will have to call 817.416.6934 Press Internet Services so that a staff member may confirm an valid email address and repost your comments.  
August 29, 2006 @1:27 PM
Time to move on people
I just happened to read a fews of the letters this morning and could not believe how mean-spirited some of these comments have become. In response to the most recent letter, where the world "ashamed" was used, I believe there are several individuals who might consider re-directing their efforts for a better and higher purpose. Fight the GOOD fight...finish the race WELL...and fix your eyes on JESUS, not on a man or a group of four. Let's move on people! 
Name withheld by request, author/email confirmed.
August 29, 2006 @9:03 AM
Colleyville Four Responsible
To the Colleyville four, 

Congratulations! You've have successfully tore up and split a church. Aren't you a bunch of genius's. Here's a bit of news for you. It is not up to you four whether or not we build, expand or do anything outside of our current building. There are a thousand or so other people at FBCC that get a vote. It isn't just about you. It's only about God and you should be ashamed. 

David Seaton
August 28, 2006 @9:13 AM
Harber's leaving is not because of the "Lost Four"
I just read the August 25th and other seemly bitter e-mails to the Editor concerning Dr. Harber and removal of four members. I don't understand why the writers seems to insinuate the four members were responsible for Dr. Harber's downfall. They were no longer members of the church and had no voting power. The Leadership Board of FBCC, who were voted into office by the membership of the church, were the ones to ask for his resignation. Certainly not the four who lost their membership. 

I don't know for a fact, but I don't believe the "Lost Four" were the ones to initiate the Hooters golf tournament, send Dr. Harber a registration application, paid his entrance fee, and encouraged him to attend. I don't believe it was the "Lost Four" who schemed up the idea of a land deal, presented it to Dr. Harber and encouraged him to participate in it. There may very well be a need for us to blame someone, point fingers at, and call names. 

I offer my opinion that we need to blame none other then Satan himself. Satan presented the opportunities to entice Dr. Harber and, Dr. Harber upon his own free will, choose those entices. If you still find the need to point fingers of blame at someone, what about the other current members of the church who participated in this land scheme with Dr. Harber? Were they not tools Satan used to entice Dr Harber? They were every bit as culpable as Dr. Harber. Yet, I hear nothing of the Leadership Board taking action against them.

I think its time to stop pointing fingers of blame and to start healing. Dr. Harber was the type of preacher who stayed in the spotlight. As a result of this Satan put a target a mile wide on Dr. Harber's back and took dead aim at it. Dr. Harber stood no chance against such a might foe if, for even a split second, he lost his focus on Jesus. Dr. Harber blinked and Satan had his victory. No matter how high Dr. Harber was held in esteem by others, he was only a man. He was subject to all the entices of sin as you and I are. He was bound to error, just as you and I.

I was a former member of FBCC and left because of the turmoil the church was in and the direction it was taking. Even so, If I was to see Dr. Harber today I would put my arms around him, hug him, and offer any support I could in this terrible time for him. Now is the time for us to forget, show Christian love, and help everyone involved to heal and once again maintain their focus on Jesus. Christ Jesus demands nothing less from us.

Carl Atkins
August 26, 2006 @7:57 PM
Get facts straight before your tirade

I mean no offense by sending this e-mail, but I do think that Mr. or Ms. Brown should have ALL his or her facts before going off on a tirade as in today's e-mail. I , for one, don't like to have egg on my face when the whole truth comes out. I, to feel for the Harber's and wish for them complete healing because of this awful " UNGODLY" situation at FBCC. Attitudes such as these will always create a situation in the chuirch that can fracture the "Body of Christ". Think and know the facts before making such comments as were in your current e-mail, as it will do you nor anyone else a bit of good. It tends only to draw us away from our walk with the LORD. The Bible explicitly tells us to let no anger cause dissention break out among us.

Name Withheld
Confirmed name and email
August 25, 2006 @3:46 PM
Dr. Harber was against removal of the four members...didn't want a mega church...

Dr. Harber was against the removal of the four members of FBCC. Dr. Harber has NEVER wanted a mega church and anyone who claims that is lying. Now that the vengeful have succeeded in removing our beloved pastor in order to regain control over the church they pretend to be spokespersons for the church by openly speaking to any media outlet that will listen. They do not speak for the legitimate members of our congregation. 

There are others that are either responsible or partly responsible for each of these so-called ‘scandals’ yet they are not mentioned or standing up for Dr. Harber and the church. The facts are not accurate which leads me to believe this is yet another part of the campaign to annihilate the reputation of a great evangelist and regain control over the church.

I agree with Dr. Harber’s stand to not go public with the facts. A good Christian would not 1 – Give the satisfaction of responding to such false accusations and 2 – Not mention the names of others who have not already spoken up for themselves. This church will suffer greatly for the selfish acts of the few people with media influence and the gall to make public accusations without all the facts. Removing Dr. Harber from our church has caused the innocent much pain and has removed an incredibly effective tool for winning lost souls for our church – we should all mourn that loss. The persons involved in the elaborate media campaign against Dr. Harber are the ones guilty of causing this church the enormous amounts of pain we are currently suffering.

Teri Randall Brown 
NRH, TX 
August 25, 2006 @12:40 PM
Censorship at the Colleyville Courier

I read the Colleyville Courier's 8/25 article on FBCC and attempted to post a comment on their website that was critical of the article.  I submitted it once and it didn't appear.  I submitted it again and it didn't appear.

I submitted a test comment to see if it was a systems issue, and my test
comment appeared.  I then re-submitted for a THIRD time my comment and it didn't appear.  Finally I submitted another test comment, and it appeared. Clearly the Courier is censoring comments, which is my reason for passing this on to you.

I know you may not agree with my view and my comments, but wanted you to be
aware of the censorship that is happening at the Colleyville Courier and expose them for the frauds that they are.  Please withhold my name as I am fearful of retribution by the Courier.

Attached to this e-mail is a screenshot the comment board which clearly shows my test postings but not my critical commentary posting.



The following is what I attempted to post 3 times:

It should come as no surprise that the Courier and Scott Price continue
their agenda-laden hatchet job on  FBCC.  The following is an interesting read, and obviously is something that neither the Courier nor Scott Price ascribe to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards

Because the Courier and Mr. Price lack journalistic integrity, and because I cannot cancel my subscription to the Courier, I am personally boycotting all of the Courier's advertisers, and would encourage others who feel similarly to do the same.

I did find Mike Taylor's comments deliciously ironic, though:
“This past year has not been glorifying to God in any sense.   I just
really hope that our church should...evaluate...who is in charge. And it’s
not men, it is Christ.”

Matthew 7:5

Name withheld by request Confirmed email
Editor's Note
We are WAAAAAAAAAY in agreement with your comments about the Courier and in particular Scott Price.  Until one has personal knowledge of the facts and, in turn, reads the facts as altered by Price and the Courier, one can not appreciate your frustration. Unfortunately, LNO and its Editor have both been a victim of Mr. Price's sophomoric antics passed off as news reporting. All Price's bylines should be listed as a "column" so the public fully appreciates it is an opinion column, not journalistic reporting. 

The Courier did not break the news on the land deal first, LNO first reported the story.  The Courier never had an article on Harber playing in the Hooter's Tournament, this was an LNO exclusive.  They are now pretending to be some investigative source, after the fact.  The Courier consistently is required to print retractions, for example their claim that John Fegan was an owner of BKY, the company that was involved in the land transaction.  The Courier printed the claim on the front page and buried the correction next to a photo of a high school student in an totally unrelated event in the next issue.

Finally,  Mike Taylor is always available for a quote to Price as Price is always ready to print Taylor's spin on virtually any subject.  Taylor and Price have a very comfy relationship, as noted in previous articles on LNO.  Even Price will attempt to protect his "inside" source of information.

If enough people stand up and expose matters as you have, perhaps the Star-Telegram will eventually put someone that does not have a personal axe to grind in charge of the Courier.

August 24, 2006 @ 5:35 PM
Why is everyone up in arms
Is the main "sin" that Dr. Harber committed was that he played golf in a Hooters tournament and got a good deal on some land for his home? If so, I fail to see what everyone is so up-in-arms over. Christians are to go where we can be salt and light to a lost world and to be good stewards of what God has given us. 

And the church called (hired) him to provide vision and leadership, but then they apparently didn't like the vision and leadership he provided. I don't know Dr. Harber. I had not heard of him until a friend showed me this web-site earlier this week. I am curious how many other churches in America are dealing petty bickering such as this. And we Christians wonder why the world is rejecting our message.
__________________________
Bruce Fensler
Broken Arrow, OK
August 23, 2006 @ 2:22 PM
Paige Patterson responds to column
Dear Editor:
Nelson Thibodeaux's article relating me to the situation at First Baptist Colleyville is, at best, misleading, at worse slanderous. While I am not a player in anything that has happened or is happening at the church, I am a thoroughgoing advocate of congregationalism in Baptist churches and hence in disagreement with "elder-rule" ecclesiology. 

Any reading of the book Mr. Thibodeaux referenced entitled Who Runs the
Church would show that I am defending congregationalism against other positions, meaning that either Mr. Thibodeaux did not do his homework before he spoke or else he deliberately misrepresented me. Shall I hope for innocence or duplicity? Either is not good journalism.

Though I know Frank Harber and pray for him and for his family, I have not been closely associated with him as Thibodeaux suggests. Neither do Pressler (a layman) and Patterson advocate now or ever that the pastor is the "unquestioned ruler of the church," or a ruler of any kind. To the contrary the pastor is a shepherd and a servant to the flock of God.

I have opposed irresponsible congregationalism just as I oppose irresponsibility anywhere. But, I have lived my entire ministry as an advocate of congregationalism.

Lumping Danny Forshee into the story is just as irresponsible. Forshee is a member and a friend of Harber as is Michael Ray. But, Forshee led Liberty Baptist in Hampton, Virginia, to remain a congregationally governed church and did indeed build a great church.

Clearly, Thibodeaux has an axe to grind but if he grinds it he should at least check his facts.

Paige Patterson
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

Editor's Note:  The "article" was a column, meaning my opinion and clearly stated as such.  Apparently Dr. Patterson feels that the only part of the column that was correct was the Big Game Hunter aspect, since that was not addressed.  The quote in the column was actually a photo copy of a paragraph found on page 142 in the referenced book, perhaps there are other comments we missed, in this book, that would confirm Dr. Patterson's defense of congregationalism and we would be glad to point same out to the reader, when Dr. Patterson points out to us.

The comments concerning Pressler/Patterson were attributed to Dr. Rick McClatchy and Dr. Bruce Prescott of the Mainstream Baptist Network and clearly highlighted as such.

The story never mentioned Danny Forshee or Michael Ray. There is an email, in this section, that referenced the two, but their names are nowhere to be found in the column.  Leads one to speculate if Dr. Patterson actually read the column or was simply told about the column by a third party?

In our research and after carefully reading comments from others, who have impressive credentials, we don't appear to be the only one that has concluded Dr. Patterson's position, at minimum, liens in the directional concept of the "strong pastor" style of church governance. 

No axe to grind here, well maybe the animal killing part, but certainly not in the context of what Dr. Patterson's position is, or is not, in the matter of the pastor being the "unquestioned ruler" of the church.
August 23, 2006 @ 12:08 PM
You see the SBC controversy for what it is
Dear Editor,

Finally ... someone who sees the SBC controversy for what it is and has been able to boil it down in a nutshell version for simple understanding. Indeed, there is a fundamental difference in the leadership style of the Patterson era. 

I have worked in churches in which that leadership style was desired (by the Pastor ... not the congregation) and know that it always leads to division. Somehow, it is always "baptized" by the Pastor to seem as if there is some giant favor being done for the Kingdom of God. The number of lives left in the ditch along the way ... an acceptable price for the desired power.

I just recently found your website and want you to know I am passing it on to others. Keep up the good investigative work and truthful reporting.

David Woods
El Dorado, Arkansas

August 23, 2006 @ 9:59  am
Media railroaded Harber

Maybe
media efforts would be better spent protecting the community from crack smoking, sexual predators claiming to be ministers than to railroad someone like Dr. Harber .
Trish Jenkins

August 23, 2006 @ 9:18 am
Not surprised by Harber's behavior
Dear Editor - 

I have been following your story on Frank Harber and am not surprised by any of the behavior. The reason why? I am a member of the congregation that suffered under the rule of Danny Forschee and Michael Ray. FBCC - Although the quest for a new pastor may be hard and sometimes seem to be an uphill battle, God has blessed you with this man's resignation. Make sure that "all sin is out of your camp" and God will bless you with a true man of God. Editor - what happen to Danny and Michael? (they may be your "sin in the camp").

Name withheld 
Email confirmed
August 21, 2006 @2:27 pm (posting time) (titles added by LNO)
Courier Article
Nelson,
I read the article in the Courier (Thibodeaux Out of City Positions)  and I just wanted to drop you a quick note. 

I recall thinking when I read the original July 28th article that is was nothing more that a news paper trying to make a story where there was none. It sounded a lot like one of those Sweeps week news stories that fabricate facts for the sake of good ratings. 

It's a shame that community servants like you and you family so often fall prey to unethical reporters. I really salute you for sticking up for your values. Just know that we are not all so easily duped by a slick news story.

God bless, 

Ken Bays 
Grapevine
August 21, 2006 @1:35 pm
Courier vs. LNO
Dear Editor:
(email was altered to include direct links to referenced columns)

I want to compliment you on an insightful column  concerning the resignation of Dr. Frank Harber. From what I can tell your research has likely exposed why the FBCC pastor became isolated and, in turn, out of touch with the very people he is supposed to serve.

LNO had great coverage and information not found with any other source. You were the first to report on the FBCC troubles, the first to report the Hooter's deal, the first to report the land deal and the first to report Harber's resignation.. that is quite a record.

On a personal note, I also want to congratulate Nelson for the years he and his wife have served the City of Colleyville. The hatchet job by Scott Price, at the Colleyville Courier, becomes even more self-evident when reading your column about this issue.

What is particularly telling is the side by side article and the notes by the Colleyville City Manager. It shows not only bias but deliberate misrepresentations. I hope you sue their butts off.

Why the Star Telegram would buy this paper and then allow the crowd hired by the Donna Arp group to continue to run it like a local gossip column, is a real mystery.

Keep up to good work, I think your readership is more likely to get truthful news more quickly than any other local source.

I am also requesting you to withhold my name because I am a local business owner and, while the Courier is a joke, I don't want them targeting my business to try to ruin. All those advertising in this paper should consider what and who they are supporting with their hard earned money.
Name withheld on request.
Confirmed valid email address
August 21, 2006 @ 10:26 am
Harber's Resignation
Forgive Dr. Harber
I have attended FBCC for only a couple of months now. I have to share with you that it was Dr. Frank Harber's sermons that drew me in. The messages were honest and meaningful to me and my children. He was "real" when he shared about his boyhood and personal struggles. The sermons are what kept me returning to the church. 

But how sad to learn of Dr. Harber's transgressions. I was disappointed in his actions, but watched the circus in awe and amazement. Shamefully I eagerly awaited each news byte as if it were a blockbuster movie unfolding day after day. 

I am forgiving person, however, and I do hope that others in Christ will remember what Jesus always wanted us to do, "Forgive those who trespass against us." Things have a way of correcting themselves. The church will survive and likely be a much stronger fellowship than ever before. Dr. Harber will be forced to self examine and regroup so to speak, to find a new path. And in the end we have all learned some important things about life and what staying close to God means. The world is a dangerous place full of temptations that can lead to wrongdoings. Please forgive Dr. Harber and move on. Life's just too short to harbor any resentments.

Sincerely,
PLEASE WITHHOLD MY NAME
Confirmed valid email address
August 21, 2006 @ 6:05 am

Your site is very useful.

Peter Jones
August 19, 2006 @ 8:53  pm
Harber's Resignation
Need to be careful now

Well…we moved here in 2004. We left behind our church home for 30 years. Every single Baptist Church we have visited was going through some major controversy. If it wasn’t a pastor having an affair, it was money laundering, now it’s a pastor who made a couple of bad personal decisions (both of which were the icing on the cake) and whose vision was too much for a community town church. 

There are so many churches these days that are run the very way Dr. Harber wanted to run FBCC. This is not necessarily a bad thing…nor is it a good thing for churches who want to keep that community feel in their church. Frankly, I am saddened because I think that churches all over are just not what they used to be. 

I am ashamed to say that I am in a generation who is a more selfish-minded generation. Now we are seeing it in our churches all over the country! It worries me for the future of our children who need their preacher to be a Godly example…and a servant leader. Pastors are human, and they make mistakes too, but there is a certain amount of “celebrity” status involved when you lead the public in any fashion. Pastors are no different, and they must be careful in their decisions…regardless of how innocent they may seem.

We found FBC Colleyville in March. We live in Keller. We began our time there just after the “Famous Four” were ousted. We did not know anything about the details of this situation until the end of May. We just thought Frank Harber was an excellent pastor. We loved the church services as well. My children were waiting to be baptized for when we found a church home since we had moved. I was raised, baptized, and married in my church, and so I did not want just any pastor baptizing my children We thought we had found our pastor ….so they were baptized in April. Now…….this nightmare has come to surface for Dr. Harber and the church. While my children’s salvation is safe, we are heart-sick that things have turned out this way.

I pray for Dr. Harber and his family. I pray he is humbled by this situation, and he becomes the man he is supposed to be in God’s eyes. I pray for this church and for their search for a new pastor. I also pray that the church has learned a big lesson from this as well. The “famous four” did not exactly behave in a very ethical or Godly way either. They may have had the last laugh, but they too should pray for their own hearts to be humbled. They have spoken too much over the last several months to others in the public, and it has spread. It has been damaging to our spirits.

I know many Christians, and most of them are wonderful…not perfect…but love the Lord, their neighbors, and pray for those who are lost. Their treatment of others through God’s love is electric.

On the other hand, there are people like a family in my neighborhood who treat others in our neighborhood and schools so rudely and poorly. They are the worst examples of what Christians are…yet they are in Church every single Sunday. They have a holier than though arrogant attitude but at church their Godliness surfaces….because they are in church. They have been some of the first to spread the gossip about FBCC.

I just hope that members of FBCC will not become hypocrites while away from church in that they bad mouth the Harber’s, the church board or the church body to the public or fellow members and gloat about whose right and who was wrong. We have to all be very careful to keep our mouths closed and keep our eyes on the Lord for peace, wisdom, and strengthening of faith during this test in our faith and for this church.

Bottom line is…………
God is bigger that these “Famous Four”, He’s bigger than the Media, He’s bigger than Dr. Harber, and he’s bigger than Satan himself. 
We must all band together and not be too quick to judge…but to forgive. Let us remember,
God will lead us through this…..He may be slow to answer, but He’s never too late!

Sincerely,
An Imperfect, Forgiven Christian
(no name please)
Confirmed valid email address
August 18, 2006 @ 1:49 pm
Harber's Resignation
Dear Editor,

The "Leadership Board" must be scrutinized. How did Jim Bailey, Kelly Brown, Dick Schaulin, Jay Bray, Clark Lovrien, and Tom Law allow the situation to get to where we are today? Frank Harber selected these six men and he was not acting alone. The problem is deeper rooted than what has transpired in just the past few weeks.

To quote Mr. Joe Dupree, "A strong Board of Deacons should materialize and rebuild what is traditionally a First Baptist Church of any city." I endorse Mr. Dupree's comments 110% and I believe that anything less, will only result in history repeating itself.

Former FBCC Member,
Colleyville, TX
Please Withhold My Name
Confirmed valid email address
August 18, 2006 @ 11:24 AM
Harber's Resignation
There will be a lot of discussion now that Frank has resigned from FBBC.

First and foremost we need to be in prayer for the church and Frank.
Let us all pray for divine wisdom and guidance for FBCC and it's future.
Let us pray that Frank will seek God's Will and forgiveness and become a humble true servant of 
God and that this will have a positive influence on his future. 

Denny Threlkeld
August 18, 2006 @ 11:08 AM
Harber's Resignation
We were members of FBCC for many years. We left because we felt that God was leading us away. We understand the heartache of all the people of FBCC and the feeling of betrayal on the part of Frank Harber and others involved in all the "mess" that has taken place since all the commotion" broke about member dismissal etc.

 We do not in any part think that things like this should happen in the "Body of Christ", but unfortunately it does. Now is not the time to start crucifying Pastor Harber and anyone involved in this. Now is the time for all of us who belong to the "Body of Christ" to join our hearts and hands and begin to pray without ceasing for the young Pastor, his family and the church in Colleyville.

We all have made major mistakes in our lives either out of stupidity or being misled by others, and Pastors are not exempt from the same thing.

My husband and I feel that it is time for everyone who has e-mailed petty, ungodly things about this church to stop and start moving the "log out of our own eye" and begin to restore a young man who is in great need of forgiveness.

I always have to look at what Scripture says about anyone caught in sin. I believe the Word tells us that "whoever is without sin" cast the first stone.Please, in the name of Jesus, stop all the backstabbing and let us all hit our knees and begin to earnestly pray for this man and God's church in Colleyville. We should join hands and begin to sincerely start praying for the young Pastor, his family and the members of FBCC.

Name withheld because we are not without sin and will try starting out our day praying for this young family and FBCC.
Confirmed valid email address
August 18, 2006 @ 8:00 am
Harber's Resignation
I read the article and I see how the news is trying to find a ''victim'' and this pastor (Dr. Raymond Horne in Celina)  is so eager to play the part. However has he ever stopped long enough to think it really was never his property anyway. If it would have been and he would have sold the property without doing his due diligence (sounds like that is what he did) then he should be fired for his stupidity. He got a piece of property for nothing (someone donated) and someone gave his church $25,000. He was either stupid or part of the deal. He should be rejoicing that his church got $25,000 for doing ''nothing'' instead of playing out the poor pitiful "victim me" mindset. 
Thanks Russ Mitchell
August 17, 2006 @ 11:01 pm
Harber's Resignation
Keep up the good work
Karen Moore
August 17, 2006 @ 9:47 pm
Harber's Resignation
I figured y'all'd have something by now on Frank Harber resigning, or being asked to leave, or whatever happened...

John Harris
Editor's Note: LNO was the first to break the resignation story at 7:08:22 pm on Thursday night and put out thousands of emails in our Headline Alert program. Possibly the emails crossed in cyberspace!   Be sure you are signed up for LNO Headlines and Bulletins Alerts.
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August 17, 2006 @ 9:47 pm
Harber's Resignation
I figured y'all'd have something by now on Frank Harber resigning, or being asked to leave, or whatever happened...

John Harris
Editor's Note: LNO was the first to break the resignation story at 7:08:22 pm on Thursday night and put out thousands of emails in our Headline Alert program. Possibly the emails crossed in cyberspace!   Be sure you are signed up for LNO Headlines and Bulletins Alerts.
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August 17, 2006 @ 8:19 pm
Harber's Resignation
I am a Christian and was a member of FBCC Colleyville, until the hair started coming up on the back of my neck, as I watched Frank make several (then minor) moves that I thought were self-centered and not reflective of Christ in any way, shape or form. My family left for another church when it appeared Frank was trying to become analogous to a one man rock band, leaving some good friends in the process. 

We heard of many more formerly supportive members, some who helped bring Harber in, fleeing FBC Colleyville in droves, shortly after we left in 2005, especially after he unilaterally decided the church should move to the Texas Motor Speedway area and when he banished the "Colleyville Four". 

The events of the last two months, well-covered by your articles, show my intuitions were not without merit. Although we won't be going back, I think it speaks well of the church itself, and the member's desire to serve God, that they (apparently) demanded Harber's resignation before he drove it into the ground with his ego.

Thanks for your dogged coverage. Pastors and teachers are held (biblically) to a higher standard that does not include tax fraud and Hooter's outings.

(Please withhold my name - I just wanted to tell you thanks)
Confirmed valid email address
August 16, 2006 @ 11:45am
Ms Harber is not the question
In reading the e-mails in LNO on August 15th I read an e-mail stating how wonderful Becky Harber is. . I know Becky and she is a Godly young woman. Becky, however is not the one in question. No one is doubting her honesty in all of this. It is the Pastor and his Leadership Board that have come under scrutiny. Not all Pastor's wives know the full extent of what goes on in the churches their husbands Pastor. I know of Pastors who choose not to involve the wives in order to protect them from anything that may become a problem. I think this is wise. Perhaps that is what Pastor Harber has done in order to protect Becky and their children.
I pray for this church and all that is going on. I feel that God has a purpose in what is going on. We, in our finite minds can not possible know, but one thing we all know is that God is still on the throne and can certainly get all this straightned out.
I pray that people will let God handle this in HIS own way and let us all get out of God's way.

Name withheld in order to honor God's Church and HIs people at FBCC.
Confirmed valid email address

August 15, 2006 @12:15 am
Trustee Board at FBCC was eliminated after Fegan served "a couple of days"
After John Fegan was elected to the Trustee position, the Trustee board was eliminated within a couple of days. In its place became the Leadership Board with all new members.
John Fegan

August 14, 2006 @6:38 pm
Reader Questions, "so what's the problem with Harber"
As a fairly new member of First Baptist Colleyville, I have some questions. I have no idea what the problem is.  
Editor replies to reader's questions.
First: What is the problem with Dr. Harber's salary? This church voted for it. In the small at First Baptist Groves, Tx with approximately 1,000 members the pastor makes approximately $80,000. If he can afford a new home, good for him. 

The only problem with Dr. Harber's salary, according to some members , is that it should be made public to all members. No member has ever confirmed that his salary was "voted for" in an open session of church members.  In fact, specific questions concerning his salary have been ignored.  Members pointed out to LNO that Harber moved his office out of the church so he is even more inaccessible than previously, has frequent absences from the pulpit on Sundays and when he in town he gives only 2 sermons (the same) on Sunday with no other commitments.  Harber is well known for not taking time to visit members in hospitals and he rarely does a funeral or a wedding.  He went to do a guest sermon in Hawaii and decided to take another extra week to relax. He took time off to play in a Hooter's Golf Tournament (finishing last), however, if he had made the cut, he was committed to playing in the final round on Sunday, not preaching to the flock in Colleyville.  Speculation is his work habits would not likely tolerated in any traditional work environment.  

Second: What is the land purchase that is under question?

The land in question is the residential lot on Pleasant Run in John Feagan's Castleton Manor.  The lot is one of the largest and is on the TAD valued at $75,000 unimproved.  The estimated value is between $150,000 to $200,000. Dr. Harber paid the Celina Baptist Church $25,000.

Third: I disagree with his playing in a "Hooters golf tournament". But who knows why he was there? Are you the judge and jury? 

According to Harber's quotes in the Joplin, Missouri newspaper, he was in the tournament to try to win because he had taken lessons from a gifted professional for the past week.

Fourth: I have listened to Dr Harber week upon week. My 86 year old mother and I go every Sunday. We are not in the inner circle of this church but I know in my heart Dr Harber is speaking the word of God. My life has changed drastically and all for the better since attempting to live the live he speaks of. I think Dr Harber has proven himself as a spiritual leader.

Whether Dr. Harber is or is not proven as a spiritual leader is outside the realm of factual articles this news site has published.

I personally feel like the email read earlier today there are people that are "getting their toes stepped on" and cannot do any thing except strike blame. I had the opportunity to meet Becky Harber at the church wide picnic and she is such a lovely caring person. 

We are not sure what the "toes stepped on" reference means, however we have often written about 4 well-known Colleyville citizens, some of which were members for many years who had the membership terminated by Dr. Harber's request.  

Please do not return emails to me at my home as I do not care to spend my time reading garbage. But I do in fact hope Dr Harber reads this to know there are people in this church that thank him and back him 100%.

We are still awaiting those who have accused LNO of putting out "garbage" to specifically correct any factual errors.  We also hope Dr. Harber reads this because we once again invite Dr. Harber to take the opportunity to clear up any misconceptions or correct factual errors in any article concerning FBCC or himself.  We invite Dr. Harber to freely minister to the readers of LNO through a weekly column, unedited, to be prominently posted on this news site.

This is a sincere offer we feel is much more in line with Christian principles, than the type of attacks LNO and its Editor have been the recipient of from "supporters" of Dr. Harber.


Thank you for listening.
Thank you

G Tidmore 
Full name and city not provided, email address confirmed.

August 14, 2006 @3:51 pm
Clarification and correction on FBCC article
Patsy Smith term as Trustee had expired, when I was elected to the position. She was not removed from being a Trustee.

As far as I know Claiborne is not a member of FBCC.

John Fegan
August 13, 2006 @2:11 pm
Messenger LNO is the real problem..doing the work of the devil
As predicted in the Bible, any church or church body that succeeds in their 
soul winning missions will be attacked by those who do the work of the 
devil. It does not surprise me that LNO expresses anger and bitterness at 
being dismissed because of the National Enquirer type of false impression 
journalism drives LNO to condemn the ones who dismisses this ridiculous 
gossip/slander news organization. It does not surprise me that the so called 
news LNO writes is being spread because we are told that the good would be 
slandered and attacked in the attempt to stop their good works. The pathetic 
attempt to discredit a hard working Christian Pastor is an openly blatant 
attack out of sheer retribution for not giving validity to the LNO gossip 
column. Those who choose to stay and support that brave young man have 
chosen to not give LNO the time of day because LNO is simply not worth their 
effort. Go ahead with the slander type attacks and the so called news 
articles riddled with opinions, accusations, impressions and bitterness. It 
will only fuel the passion of the Christians out there that know the devil 
and his minions want to put a stop to an effective evangelism. I applaud 
them for not talking to LNO and spending their valuable time on lost souls 
instead of personal attacks.

Will the FBCC ever acknowledge LNO? I hope they stand by their convictions 
and stay away from a personal communication, as that will only make them 
look like the better person for not stooping to a low level. The mission of any good Christian will be ridiculed and attacked but what do attacks matter as long as souls are being saved. I will pray for LNO and those who believe your stories without verifying them. Mostly I will pray for that Pastor to remain strong against those who wish to stop him from his work. I applaud the faithful Christians who do not judge based on a strangers word and those who stand by the good works of their Pastor who has proven himself an effective soul winner and evangelist.

I see LNO freely publishes any email that supports the LNO one sided attacks, plaster them all over the 'front page', highlight and advertise them as justification of personal attacks, will LNO publish this one too? Will LNO put this one on the 'front page'? Will LNO add one of the familiar high and mighty replies of justification under it? Or will LNO ignore it and continue the endless justification of attacking hard working Christian pastors who obviously know better then to try to tell LNO what the real story is?

I have witnessed that when someone sends an email that does not agree with LNO that they are harassed by email. I know personally one email address that received email arguments and attachments even though it was requested/demanded to stop emailing them many times. It makes me afraid to leave my name and location because I don't want to be next on the hit list. I will, of course, expect your response, but I don't want an email argument going on. You have your opinion plastered everywhere as well as others, I should be able to give mine without retribution.

I.M.
DFW, TX
Name with held by request, email return validated.
Editor:  Thank you for reading LNO. Management of LNO is neither angry or bitter.  Dr. Harber does not acknowledge any local media, while he did give quotes to a Joplin, Missouri newspaper about his Hooters Golf Tournament activity.  LNO continues to offer Dr. Harber the opportunity to respond, without edit, at anytime, and we will link it to the front page. By the way, don't be afraid, in America free exchange of opinions, and in this case accusations against LNO, are still protected by the First Amendment. 
August 11, 2006 @10:05 pm
Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, Bob Tilton, Swaggert, Benny Hinn, now Frank Harber?
A smart man once said that “those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it”. Has everyone at First Baptist Colleyville forgotten Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, “Brother Bob” Tilton, Jimmy Swaggert and Benny Hinn? Perhaps it is time to add Frank Harber’s name to this select group. 

One problem with stupid people is that they assume that everyone around them is stupid also. It doesn’t take a genius to connect the dots in this puzzle. If this were money, instead of real estate, it would be called “laundering”. This is all too convenient that Kevin Landis from the Cowboy Church (if it really is a church) outside of Celina, is a former member of FBCC and has close ties to Frank Harber. Also seemingly convenient is the relationship between John Fegan and the empty trustee position at FBCC. These transactions were clearly pre-meditated and an attempt to circumvent I.R.S. law. It is a shame there is not an I.R.S. Auditor in the congregation; as it seems that FBCC clearly violates the laws pertaining to “not for profit organizations”. 

Dementia among Colleyville residents and some church members seems to have reached epidemic proportions when you consider comments like, “I don’t speak to the media” from Frank Harber. “What does that have to do with me?” from John Fegan. I suspect that this particular strain of dementia has found its way into Collin County, for if Dr. Horn had his accountant check this; he would have obviously found the requirements for appraisals, and I.R.S. forms related to donations.

I, like many others, perceived to be stupid by Frank Harber can only hope that Dr. Horn’s quote, “…..hope to meet Frank Harber in jail” is soon realized. 

While sitting in church on Sunday, these people should not fear the wrath of the I.R.S. or even those of us who know the difference between right and wrong….they should be thinking about who they will ultimately have to answer to. 

I found the following quotes from Mr. Harber, (who in my opinion should not be referred to as Pastor) on the internet.

He warned, “There’s no room in the kingdom of God for this holier than thou stuff. That’s what the Pharisees were like.” Similarly, Harber said, “Some of the meanest people you could ever find in this world go to church every Sunday,” hiding behind the religion of Christianity.

"I'm the pastor, and the buck stops with me," he said. "I get both the blame and the credit for what happens because I am accountable for direction, but I want to be the player on this team who gets the assist."

I have always liked this quote and I guess Frank Harber and his groupies agree….
“History is a set of lies agreed upon by those in charge”……..Anonymous 

Karen Moore
Seymour, Tn.

July 29, 2006 @ 8:15 pm
Advice for Preacher Golfer
Advice for Frank Harber re: missing the cut at the Hooters golf tournament. With all that professional advice he forgot page 1 paragraph 1 Lesson 1

Keep your eye on the ball! especially at Hooters tournaments. 
Danny Threlkeld

August 13, 2006 @2:11 pm
Messenger LNO is the real problem..doing the work of the devil
As predicted in the Bible, any church or church body that succeeds in their soul winning missions will be attacked by those who do the work of the devil. It does not surprise me that LNO expresses anger and bitterness at 
being dismissed because of the National Enquirer type of false impression journalism drives LNO to condemn the ones who dismisses this ridiculous gossip/slander news organization. It does not surprise me that the so called news LNO writes is being spread because we are told that the good would be slandered and attacked in the attempt to stop their good works. The pathetic attempt to discredit a hard working Christian Pastor is an openly blatant attack out of sheer retribution for not giving validity to the LNO gossip column. Those who choose to stay and support that brave young man have chosen to not give LNO the time of day because LNO is simply not worth their effort. Go ahead with the slander type attacks and the so called news articles riddled with opinions, accusations, impressions and bitterness. It will only fuel the passion of the Christians out there that know the devil and his minions want to put a stop to an effective evangelism. I applaud them for not talking to LNO and spending their valuable time on lost souls instead of personal attacks.

Will the FBCC ever acknowledge LNO? I hope they stand by their convictions and stay away from a personal communication, as that will only make them look like the better person for not stooping to a low level. The mission of any good Christian will be ridiculed and attacked but what do attacks matter as long as souls are being saved. I will pray for LNO and those who believe your stories without verifying them. Mostly I will pray for that Pastor to remain strong against those who wish to stop him from his work. I applaud the faithful Christians who do not judge based on a strangers word and those who stand by the good works of their Pastor who has proven himself an effective soul winner and evangelist.

I see LNO freely publishes any email that supports the LNO one sided attacks, plaster them all over the 'front page', highlight and advertise them as justification of personal attacks, will LNO publish this one too? Will LNO put this one on the 'front page'? Will LNO add one of the familiar high and mighty replies of justification under it? Or will LNO ignore it and continue the endless justification of attacking hard working Christian pastors who obviously know better then to try to tell LNO what the real story is?

I have witnessed that when someone sends an email that does not agree with LNO that they are harassed by email. I know personally one email address that received email arguments and attachments even though it was requested/demanded to stop emailing them many times. It makes me afraid to leave my name and location because I don't want to be next on the hit list. I will, of course, expect your response, but I don't want an email argument going on. You have your opinion plastered everywhere as well as others, I should be able to give mine without retribution.

I.M.
DFW, TX
Name with held by request, email return validated.
Editor:  Thank you for reading LNO. Management of LNO is neither angry or bitter.  Dr. Harber does not acknowledge any local media, while he did give quotes to a Joplin, Missouri newspaper about his Hooters Golf Tournament activity.  LNO continues to offer Dr. Harber the opportunity to respond, without edit, at anytime, and we will link it to the front page. By the way, don't be afraid, in America free exchange of opinions, and in this case accusations against LNO, are still protected by the First Amendment. 
August 11, 2006 @10:05 pm
Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, Bob Tilton, Swaggert, Benny Hinn, now Frank Harber?
A smart man once said that “those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it”. Has everyone at First Baptist Colleyville forgotten Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, “Brother Bob” Tilton, Jimmy Swaggert and Benny Hinn? Perhaps it is time to add Frank Harber’s name to this select group. 

One problem with stupid people is that they assume that everyone around them is stupid also. It doesn’t take a genius to connect the dots in this puzzle. If this were money, instead of real estate, it would be called “laundering”. This is all too convenient that Kevin Landis from the Cowboy Church (if it really is a church) outside of Celina, is a former member of FBCC and has close ties to Frank Harber. Also seemingly convenient is the relationship between John Fegan and the empty trustee position at FBCC. These transactions were clearly pre-meditated and an attempt to circumvent I.R.S. law. It is a shame there is not an I.R.S. Auditor in the congregation; as it seems that FBCC clearly violates the laws pertaining to “not for profit organizations”. 

Dementia among Colleyville residents and some church members seems to have reached epidemic proportions when you consider comments like, “I don’t speak to the media” from Frank Harber. “What does that have to do with me?” from John Fegan. I suspect that this particular strain of dementia has found its way into Collin County, for if Dr. Horn had his accountant check this; he would have obviously found the requirements for appraisals, and I.R.S. forms related to donations.

I, like many others, perceived to be stupid by Frank Harber can only hope that Dr. Horn’s quote, “…..hope to meet Frank Harber in jail” is soon realized. 

While sitting in church on Sunday, these people should not fear the wrath of the I.R.S. or even those of us who know the difference between right and wrong….they should be thinking about who they will ultimately have to answer to. 

I found the following quotes from Mr. Harber, (who in my opinion should not be referred to as Pastor) on the internet.

He warned, “There’s no room in the kingdom of God for this holier than thou stuff. That’s what the Pharisees were like.” Similarly, Harber said, “Some of the meanest people you could ever find in this world go to church every Sunday,” hiding behind the religion of Christianity.

"I'm the pastor, and the buck stops with me," he said. "I get both the blame and the credit for what happens because I am accountable for direction, but I want to be the player on this team who gets the assist."

I have always liked this quote and I guess Frank Harber and his groupies agree….
“History is a set of lies agreed upon by those in charge”……..Anonymous 

Karen Moore
Seymour, Tn.
August 10, 2006 @11:34 pm
FBCC Pastor Frank Harber..body guards and Hooter Golf Tournaments?
Mr. Jolley, your email is right on target about the continuing trouble at First Baptist Church Colleyville!

The missing last name for "Clark", who is a member of the Leadership Board, is "Lovrien".

He is the person who told an adult Sunday school class that FBCC had been sued. Not true! This statement is completely false! Since he is relatively new to the leadership corps he must have obtained this information from other leaders.

Mr. Jolley, you and other readers may be interested in other goings-on at the church.

Dr. Harber has hired a bodyguard! Why? Who is paying for his services?

Dr. Harber's recent participation in a golf tournament sponsored by Hooters raises the question of who is paying his expenses to participate in these kind of events or for golf fees when he plays at Timarron and elsewhere? 

I hope expenses for golf and the bodyguard are not paid from tithes and offerings of members as this would not be responsible stewardship of their gifts.

Thank you for your awareness of problems at FBCC and sharing your concerns.

N. Mattson 
August 10, 2006 @10:34 pm
FBCC Rumors
The following is edited from a series of emails where the author has asked the name not be revealed..verified via email contact. Edited by permission.

It is interesting to keep reading what is going on and that a pastor could be allowed to do the things Frank is getting away with. I was appalled to say the least about his attendance at a Hooters golf tournament. Like xxxx said, why is no one from the church calling him out on this? I said I will if I ever see him--I am certainly not afraid of him. He can't kick me out of the church since I don't belong in the first place. 

XXX had heard last night that Nelson Thibodeaux is related to Joe Deupree, Skip, Mattson, Danny Walker, or Patsy Smith. Is that true or something someone has made up? It really doesn't matter to me as he is telling the news like it is. I was just wondering if someone has started a rumor to try and "save Frank" so to speak.

Editor's Note:  Nelson Thibodeaux is not related to any of the four mentioned, most certainly the attempt was to impugn the integrity of one, or all, of the four by inferring at least one of them is somehow related to the Publisher of LNO.  Using the Thibodeaux name in an attempt to create an adverse lighting rod impact has been tried by others with a disconnect from the truth.  On the other hand, being related to any of these four individuals, all who have stood firmly in their beliefs, could be worn like a badge of courage.   Told that Thibodeaux, was not fortunate enough to be related, the author writes:

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Just as I thought--I don't know why people think that lying is going to make everything better. Frank (Harber) has been preaching on the ten commandments lately, and this Sunday is going to be the last one. Xxxx heard the one on lying, and Frank told that it is okay to lie sometimes. He gave examples of people in the Bible who had lied to protect someone else. I said to xxxx, God did NOT say "thou shalt not lie, EXCEPT..." Where does Frank get off telling people sin is okay?  And his attending the Hooters golf tournament sure doesn't look like a man of God to me! As disheartened and appalled as I am with this man and his standards, I can't imagine how God must be hurting.

Name withheld by request
August 10, 2006 @ 10:39 am
More Frank Harber observations
I’ve visited with you on the phone a few times, months ago. Thought I would share another little tidbit. Frank said that “He actually happened upon the church while looking for a housing development in the highly affluent community” (or later a golf course) 

Dr. Ken Hemphill preached at FBC many times prior to Frank, as he said, “happened” upon the Church. At the same time, Frank and Ken were partners in the GOT LIFE web site. I guess Ken, as Frank’s partner, never told Frank that he was preaching at FBC every Sunday for a number of weeks. I also guess Ken never told Frank that FBC didn’t have a pastor and that they were searching for one?? It’s worth noting that Frank referred to Ken as his “mentor” a number of times from the pulpit. Maybe they just had a bad communication problem.

Email verified
Name withheld by request
August 9, 2006 @ 5:19 PM
Frank Harber quotes and the FBCC fiasco.
Dear Sir:
I too like Mr. Martin grew tired of reading about the FBCC fiasco but for FBCC leadership to completely ignore the LNO readership as well as direct responses to FBCC outside of LNO leaves me to conclude that: (1) Mr. Harber and his crew thinks that ignoring the problem will make it go away much like the way a child would think, (2) Their lawyer has put them under non-disclosure (though I think that unlikely) but at least the lawyer should have committed back to LNO by now, or (3) Their lack of response indicates that they don’t have a suitable argument for the case against them - in other words, FBCC is guilty as charged by a jury of their peers as deemed by the LNO readership and the community at large and around the world.

Since my interest has been renewed in this situation, I thought I would do a little research and summarize my findings. I believe the following quotes supplied by Mr. Harber should give us all cause for concern whether you are an presently an FBCC member, a former FBCC member, considering becoming an FBCC member, or an innocent outsider:

The following quotes come from the website article 
"I had no pastoral experience when I came here," he said, "but I started off like I knew what I was doing."
"I've been ADD since I was a kid; I am hyper, driven," Harber said. "I am in my element here. The work is never done; nobody can do the job. But it's a privilege. I would do it for free."
"I had never pastored before, had never wanted to be a pastor, and this church had been a victim of infighting and a declining budget and its facilities were in bad shape," Harber explained.

My comments: Perhaps Mr. Harber would do well to remember what he has said himself which is that EGO stands for Edging God Out. Since Mr. Harber has indicated he would do it free, perhaps he should since it has been noted that his salary is in excess of $205,000. I envy his salary and wished mine was only one fourth of his. Did that boost in salary come from some of those he has “EdGed Out” because they failed to agree with his megalomaniacal ways? I have another acronym for Mr. Harber to add to his vocabulary, PRIDE. In Mr. Harber’s world, PRIDE stands for Prepare Resume Immediately, Dismissal Expected. It appears to me that the church is still a victim of infighting more recently brought about by Mr. Harber’s tactics.

Perhaps a more revealing comment from Mr. Harber is found on the website located at this website.

"I don't think I've ever fit the preacher mold," he said.

My comment: Based on how you and your recently elected SWAT team have been behaving, I would have to agree with your very words sir.

Lastly, Mr Harber has some nicknames for himself that you can view at the FBCC church website.

  “Hurricane Harber”, “Frank the Tank”, “Harbertown”

My comments: What is up with Mr. Harber’s picture at the top of every webpage? Does HE have a problem with EGO - Edging God Out? And what about Frank the Tank for an alias? Does that imply that he likes to roll over those that don’t agree with him? Don’t let your cats near him either, he mentions on his webpage biography that he dislikes cats.

Would the real Mr Harber please stand up for a change and exert some courage rather than hiding behind your lawyer and your SWAT team made up of Kelly Brown, Richard Schaulin, Tom Law, Jay Bray, Jim Bailey, and Clark Somebody? That last name was really hard to read on the letter LNO printed and perhaps this person did that on purpose.

Decidedly Disgusted,
R. Jolley
August 8, 2006 @ 8:10 PM
Quite  frankly, the events at this church in Colleyville have been an embarrassment not only to the city of Colleyville, but more importantly to Christianity.
Editor:

Having read numerous articles about the events at First Baptist Church Colleyville, I thought things had perhaps become better. The decision at FBCC to remove four members from membership for asking financial questions was 
unbelievable and unlike anything I have ever heard of. I just wanted to quit reading about the fiasco at First Baptist Church Colleyville. Now, I read, with somewhat amazement, that the pastor; Dr. Frank Harber, chose to play in a 
Hooters sponsored golf tournament. What a lack of judgment-regardless of how much one might like to play golf? Regardless of where Dr Harber is, he represents the members at First Baptist Church Colleyville. My real question 
is... who is in charge at First Baptist Church Colleyville? Are you deacons; are you elders, are you members of a board? And, members of the church; why are you not requesting stronger judgment and basic common sense from your 
pastor? Who are you and where are you? Whoever you are, I ask you, why have you allowed the ridiculous, on-going events at FBCC to reach such a point? And, I have one other question, does your denomination not have a higher 
authority who works in an advisory capacity to address concerns of churches and their pastors? Certainly, your church needs something---Some strong intervention or counsel from someone. I just do not understand! Quiet frankly, the events at this church in Colleyville have been an embarrassment not only to the city of Colleyville, but more importantly to Christianity.

J.T. Martin
August 8, 2006 @ 8:03 PM
Nelson & Jamie,
Congratulations on 25 years of marriage! That is awesome. Not many make it that far.
Charlie & Cindy Warner
August 6, 2006 @ 7:52 PM
Can Dr. Harber  prove FBCC is"fast growing church of 5,000"


Dear Editor,
I have just read, in your letters to editor section, a recent letter from Kevin Love. I do not know Mr. Love but he is the type person that I would enjoy meeting. 
He is evidently a person who thinks for himself as evidenced by his statement “So I am left to wonder, which is it, was Frank house-hunting OR golf-course-hunting OR church-pastor-hunting”. I am sure that some other people are also wondering the same thing but they are reluctant to ask questions. What is the real truth?
Mr. Love might also ask about the quote in the Joplin newspaper article describing FBCC as “a fast-growing Dallas-area Baptist church of 5,000 members”. Can Dr. Harber prove this statement or is it just another exaggeration? The local media and other sources seems to indicate that membership is closer to 3000. Again, Dr. Harber, why the exaggeration?

Finally I would like to endorse Mr. Love’s statement concerning Local News Only. Mr. Love said, “I applaud your courage for telling the truth. Nothing I have read thus far in *any* of your articles, contradicts what we experienced while we were members there.”

May I also add my applause and congratulate LNO for “telling it like it is”.


Absolutely Amazed,
Doug McAlister
August 4, 2006 @ 5.20 PM
This former FBCC member says LNO has got it right
Dear Editor,
I read the Joplin Globe newspaper article with great interest. One thing to 
note in the article was this statement: "He was heading for a golf course, 
got lost and stopped at the church in Colleyville."

My family and I were at a Sunday morning service where Frank said from the 
pulpit that he was house-hunting and got lost, so he stopped by the church 
for directions to the home he was trying to find. He said this again 
another time in a side conversation with a perspective member he was talking 
with about golf (no less) as well as other topics.

So I am left to wonder, which is it, was Frank house-hunting OR 
golf-course-hunting OR church-pastor-hunting???

I applaud your courage for telling the truth. Nothing I have read thus far 
in *any* of your articles, contradicts what we experienced while we were 
members there.

A former member ashamed to mention to others that his family ever attended 
FBCC,
Kevin Love

August 4, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
Senior Baptist Minister writes Colleyville Baptist Frank Harber
Dear Editor:
Enclosed you will find a copy of the letter I sent to Dr. Frank Harber, Pastor of First Baptist Church, Colleyville, Texas on June 22, 2006 via postal service and also by email. Even though I did not nor do I expect any response to me, I am stunned by the shamed silence of Pastor Harber to the members of FBCC and the Colleyville community.

I am also curious as to why none of the Southern Baptist Leadership have come forth to give direction as to what the Holy Scriptures has to say regarding circumstances such as these. I have spoken to several pastors who (in private) disagree with the methods Pastor Harber used leading to this conflict, but who will not speak publicly. Often, their excuse is ‘professional ethics.’ My concern is not how right one may be ethically; if he is in opposition to the Word of God (Bible) then he is wrong. As people of faith, we need to form together and stand up for what we believe and for what the Bible has taught us to do in situations such as these. Pastor Harber needs to be held accountable.

Regards,
Ken Cromeans 

June 22, 2006

 

First Baptist Church

Dr. Frank Harber

5405 Pleasant Run

Colleyville, TX 76034

 

Dear Dr. Harber:

 

Greetings in the name of our Lord.  Dr. Harber, I can only imagine the number of letters you must be receiving addressing the ministry concerns of First Baptist Church Colleyville.  I want you to know that as a senior brother in the ministry I am praying for you, your family, staff and the congregation of FBCC. 

Dr. Harber, I applaud you in your personal achievements as a man.  Your credentials are impressive.  You should be proud.  God has afforded you many blessings only few men can imagine.  I have had the opportunity to hear you preach on a couple of occasions.  Again, I was impressed, you are a good speaker.  Having said that, may I share my heart and concerns with you pertaining to the ministry of FBCC and the Lord’s work?

Dr. Harber, the on-goings of what is happening in FBCC has reached far beyond the city and community of Colleyville, Texas.  Since this has gotten outside the church congregation, it has spread across the nation.  I have heard of this on my travels to Alaska, Michigan, Arkansas, and Tennessee down to Florida. My concerns stem from my community interaction for which I have served as a chaplain for the past 5 years. 

Dr. Harber, many of your brothers in the ministry are saying what is happening in your church is appalling!  By far, we are in agreement that you have made a grave error in judgment in dealing with this situation.  This reminds us of a man mentioned in 3-John 1:9 by the name of “Diotrephes”, who loved to have the preeminence over the people of the church.  While this is found in men who are members of today’s church, it is hurtful to find this character trait in one of our fellow pastors.  The community, the people and the church body are deeply hurt by your decision and actions regarding this matter.  Logically, this must affect you, your family, your ministry, your staff as well as the leadership board and their families.  There was one of God’s servants, greater than we, who made a grave error in his life, then he confessed to God and ask for the ”joy of his salvation” (ministry) to be restored.  May I encourage you to consider a Godly way to restore this ministry (fellowship to the congregation) would be to personally meet with those involved and resolve this matter. This is a time when the pastor and church body need to come together as one.

 

My continued prayers are with you and the church body.

 

God Bless,

Yours in Christ  

Ken Cromeans

July 29, 2006 @ 8:15 pm
Advice for Preacher Golfer
Advice for Frank Harber re: missing the cut at the Hooters golf tournament. With all that professional advice he forgot page 1 paragraph 1 Lesson 1

Keep your eye on the ball! especially at Hooters tournaments. 
Danny Threlkeld

July 26, 2006 @ 9:29 pm
Colleyville Turtles
Howdy,
Thank you for providing coverage of our fun in the mud. While there was definitely a turtle ready to snap, the only type of turtle gathered today were red ear sliders.

Given all the stir about snapping turtles I thought I ought to let you know that the specimen featured on the 6th row of photos is also a slider. A good day chasing turtles is better than one in the office anytime! Feel free to contact me should you have any questions regarding amphibians and reptiles.



Saludos,
Carl J. Franklin
Biological Curator and Collections Manager
Amphibian and Reptile Diversity Research Center
University of Texas at Arlington 
Department of Biology
Editor's Note:  I was afraid of that, but while the biologists were frolicking in the mud, layman on the banks of the pond were guessing about this turtle.  However, this is most definitely a "snapping" red ear slider!

July 16, 2006 @ 8:43 am
Alligator Turtles
I know it is questioned whether a Alligator Snapping Turtle is living the Colleyville pond. My son and I have witnessed an Alligator Snapping Turtle in the lake behind our house in Southlake. Even an A/C repairman working on our unit walked to the back to take a view of the lake and monster came up for air. The repairman was very startled. In fact it is a bit unnerving to see this creature for the first time because its head is huge. We have never gotten a good view of the shell although the ridges are evident. So we do not know just how big the turtle may be.

I am not revealing where we live other than the city because we do not want to advertise where this turtle lives. But live he does...
Proof Alligator Turtles are in our area
Name Withheld
Southlake

July 7, 2006 @ 8:43 am
Alligator Turtles
Any updates on the Alligator Turtle/s???  LNO article June 27, 2006
Jeannie Lohse
Editor's Note:  The latest media comments, to our knowledge, was an article in the Grapevine Sun dated July 6, 2006 stating..... Yet, even though the area appears unsuitable for an alligator snapping turtle and no one has actually reported seeing one, the story just won't seem to go away.  The article continued with a quote from Mona Gandy stating "It's like a fish tale, now everyone's telling their big turtle story, some of which are years and whole other locations removed."

July 6, 2006 @ 11:27 am
Chef Pointe Cafe
Quit telling people about this place. It's crowded enough. I am very selfish.
Tim Murray 

June 27, 2006 @ 8:58 pm
What is going to be built at the Old City Hall location on Bransford
and Oak Valley Dr. They bulldozed it down today.

Becky Connors
Editor's Note:  The following response was from Colleyville City Manager Bill Lindley
There are no current plans for the use of the site of the former City Hall. The City will be evaluating potential options for the property this next year which would include either redevelopment for City use or sale of the property. As the City progresses through the study, we will have an opportunity for input on various options from property owners in the immediate area. We are removing the building and adjoining parking lot area following a determination that the condition of the building would not be suitable for renovations. Additionally, with the building sitting vacant, it would have a detrimental impact to the homes in the immediate area. Due to the drought conditions, we will defer seeding the area till this fall to allow for cooler weather and rain. 

June 26, 2006 @ 4:27 PM
Subject: FW: Alligator Snapping Turtle
My family and I saw one of these at the Houston zoo last week! They 
may have more information if anyone needs it.

Vicki Truitt

State Representative
District 98

June 26, 2006 @ 10:38 am
Concerning the TxDOT Cameras At Intersections in Colleyville
Big Brother has arrived in Colleyville.

Tom Lisle
Editor's Note:  The following response was from Colleyville City Manager Bill Lindley to the LNO article of the AG's decision
I enjoyed reading your update on the recent State Attorney General opinion concerning the State installing red light cameras on highways posted on LNO today. As you know, over the last few months we have received inquires concerning the installation of cameras at various intersections of SH26. The thought by citizens has been that these cameras are for the police being able to issue tickets for motorists running red lights. I certainly appreciated a few weeks ago LNO being so helpful in advising readers that the cameras are for only vehicle management by TxDOT for timing sequences of the traffic lights. 

With the recent AG opinion, it may be helpful for you to let your readers know that the City of Colleyville does not have any plans at this time to either request the Highway Department, or for us to install, red light cameras at our traffic intersections. We will be monitoring any discussions, assuming they would, by the Highway Department concerning the installation of the equipment along SH26. Again, I appreciate your keeping the readers of LNO informed on this community topic. 

June 17, 2006 @ 9:27 pm
Nelson,

Thank you so much for the great gallery of pictures from opening day at Tipps Canine Hollow at Northfield Park! Our four-legged friends had a grand time and capturing the fun in pictures says it all. North Richland Hills is a great quality of life community as is evident in today’s event. Thank you for experiencing the day with us.

Suzy Compton
North Richland Hills City Council, Place 3

Editor:  A  fun event to cover and, for animal lovers, Tipps Canine Hollow is like Disneyland for four legged family members. The large crowd on Saturday is testimony to the fact there is a large group of citizens that will take advantage of the forward thinking of the NRH Mayor and City Council. 

May 26, 2006 @ 11:58 am
Editor:

Interesting reading. I spend a lot of time on your site.

Peter Jones
Editor: Cool thanks!

May 15, 2006 @ 9:19 PM
Not surprised by comment
I am not surprised by the comment made by Councilperson Jo Cox in reference to the North Richland Hills election results; "I can honestly say, we have the best City Council money can buy." Can't you see now why you lost? You do not deserve to represent the City of North Richland Hills with a comment like that. You should be ashamed of yourself. That statement implies corruption. Where did you come up with that? I guess you are telling the 60 - 65% of the people who voted for those who won are corrupt which tells me you could never represent ALL of the people you claim to have represented during your term. I now see that you only represented about 35 - 40% of the people. I feel cheated.

Jeff Paul
North Richland Hills

May 15, 2006 @2:28 PM
Lose with dignity
Now that the North Richland Hills elections are over, I still feel the need to speak out against Nancy Bielik and Jo Cox due to the comment made in the Sunday Fort Worth Star Telegram. I am not surprised by the comment made by Jo Cox "I can honestly say, we have the best City Council money can buy." This is a perfect example of why she is not fit to be a city council Representative. They can't even loose a race with dignity!! The people of this city voted and spoke clearly on who would be best at running our city. Someone with intelligence, professionalism and dignity. All of which those three women and their sarcastic followers have not. It was time for some weeding to be done and the weeds are now gone!! If their so dissatisfied move on and out!!! 
Thank you
Denise Llewellyn

March 29, 2006 @9:30 PM
National Coverage on LNO First Baptist Story
You are certainly getting some national coverage on the recent story about the demagogue Baptist minister in Colleyville, Texas.  I recently spoke with a friend in Omaha, Nebraska and received your story.

This man, Frank Harber, seems to me to be very sick, and an ego the size of San Antonio.  Does he really believe that this is something that Jesus would do to his flock of believers?  This seemingly wild sense of "mega church ego", I think, has warped this man's sense of honor and Christianity.  He sends other subordinates to handle his dirty work. Weak! And, worst of all, will not open up the books to anyone to see where the money has been spent.  No oversight.  My way or the highway!.  Some religious man!

I'm a life long Episcopalian and have served on the vestry of my church for several years.  Our books are now and have always been open for any member.  Any expenditure is handled by our treasurer with the approval of the vestry.  There are two signatures on every outgoing check. Our Priest does not write checks for the church.

This story needs to be brought to the attention of the Southern Baptist Convention, I assume that is the affiliation, and ask that Mr. "Big-shot" with the oversized ego be transferred to East Tennessee.  The first time he pulled an outrageous trick like locking the doors on long time members he would be asked real nicely to straighten up and be REALLY a man of God.  If he did not shape up, well, he wouldn't pretend to be a religious teacher for very long.  he definitely would be removed...one way or the other the church would be better off!  I, of course, don't know this man but he is quite transparent with his inflated value, ambition and phony spirit.  He is a very small man.

Thanks for allowing me to vent.  It's so sad, and has a lot of people talking on the Internet.  He seems to be a man on the way out but hurting people while exiting in the name of our Lord.  Very small man.

Ron Withers
Eat Tennessee

March 29, 2006 @9:30 PM
Most ministers try to get people to JOIN the church!
Very interesting story. Most ministers try to get people to JOIN the 
church---they don't kick them out. What kind of ministry is that? What a 
joke. I have friends that have already left that church. I feel sorry for 
the people asked to go away.

Jeannie King
Bedford 
March 28, 2006 @ 10:48  PM
First Baptist Church Colleyville ..ASK FOR FINANCIAL INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEW
Colleyville, Texas has four prominent Colleyville residents who 
were kicked out of the First Baptist Church of Colleyville.

*Why? *

These four upstanding Colleyville citizens made the mistake of asking 
questions and pursuing their beliefs. Please read the history of this 
story which provides an interesting audit trail on why these members saw 
their church slowly being taken away by an individual that made it 
impossible to view church financial reports. 

Please as a Colleyville resident ask questions and follow this 
reporting and voice your opinion about Dr. Harbor’s church proposals, 
and ask for financial information available for public review.

Eli Duplantis
March 24, 2006 @ 3:35 PM
Colleyville's New Web Site!
Nelson, 
I appreciate your showcasing on LNO the launch of the new website for the city. The format and structure of the site is designed to make information about the city more accessible to our citizens. Our partnering with 360 in the development of the site resulted in what I think is a phenomenal site. I particularly appreciate your help and support in bringing 360 to the city and working with staff so closely in making the website something we are all proud of. 

Thanks,

Bill Lindley
City Manager 
City of Colleyville
March 24, 2006
"
LNO only publishes what you think gives your articles credence"...like the one immediately below?
I just realized that you never published our comments. Why is that? Is that
how your run this column? Only publishing what you think gives your articles
credence? I hope that is not the case. This is very interesting information
about this site. 

Original email:
First Baptist Church of Colleyville
The church has responded to requests from reputable, fair, and balanced news sources that have requested a comment. The fact that they have not responded to your requests puts a negative light on your coverage of the situation. I cannot bring myself to accept your article for what it is if others have been responded to and you have not. The other sources, such as Star Telegram and some news television stations, are written in such a manner that you can tell there are no personal feelings in the story, just the facts. Your article seems to carry a lot of personal feelings as it is written in the perspective of someone who has a negative feeling towards the leadership from the beginning of the article to the end. I keep reading a reprinted statement that you made your requests and have not received an answer from the church. Well, If I was the target of an article riddled with negative personal feelings I would not respond either, you would not be worthy of a response. Your personal feelings have no effect on me (or, apparently, the church). Maybe you should ask yourselves why they have not granted your request because that speaks louder to me then anything else written on your site about this situation.

Teri Randall Brown
North Richland Hills, TX

Editor's Note:  The offer to post comments or a column from the leadership of the FBCC, unedited, still stands..is there more balanced than that? 
March 20, 2006 @ 6:24 P.M.
I worked at FBCC for 4 months, member 10 years.
Let me first say to set the record straight I worked for the church and have been on staff in the maintenance dept for about 4 months but I've been a member for 10 years. I speak only for myself but 10 years gives me the right to speak on this issue.

First of all I hear nothing but opinions ,no facts. If you have any facts then by all means speak up, but as they say, everyone has an opinion.

But if you don't have the facts to back your opinions up then do everyone a favor and keep it to yourself.

Let me give you some facts. Before Frank came my mother died. I heard not a word from the church, the same thing when my father died. When my wife and I separated still not a word. Since Frank became pastor all that has changed. There is not anyone on staff that wouldn't do anything they could to minister to the members. I have never seen such a caring and loving staff in any church I have ever been in. What's more important is I've grown more as a Christian in the last two years than I have in the last ten.

I thank God everyday for the Harber family and the staff at fbccolleyville. I think that's what Jesus meant when he said to get the log out of your own eye before you point out the speck in someone else's eye.

Stephen Burkhart
Bedford, Tx.
March 19, 2006 @ 10:47 am
FBCC - a picture worth a thousand words?
Editor

I have known Patsy Smith for approximately 40 yrs actually she was my Sunday School teacher at Richland Hills Baptist Church when I first joined the church. Not was I only blessed by having her as a teacher but as a friend for all these years. She and Herman were personal friends of ours and we attending many a happy dinners and meetings at their home with our children. One of my girls was best friends all the way thru Richland Hills High School. 

I am truly shocked that any church would Baptist or otherwise would exercise the 
act that has been carried out here. This is why the non-Christian looks around and sees this type of behavior and says "what makes you so different" Billy Graham was here in the 70's at what was the newly constructed Texas Stadium for 5 days and most of those meeting I attended with Patsy and others from my Sunday School and I will never forget what he said "Folks if you are looking for the perfect church to join, when you become a member it becomes imperfect." God Bless those who are steadfast in their beliefs and are always a picture for the non-believer
to see what makes a Christian a picture for others to see.

You know the old saying "A picture is worth a thousand words" 

God Bless, Leah Shaver
March 17, 2006 @2.20 pm
Responses to Mr Swaringen's email of March 14 concerning problems at First Baptist Church of Colleyville


Mr. Swaringen refers to "...damage done to church property by former members of First Baptist Church Colleyville when they were asked to leave." What damage? I know of none. 

At 8 AM February 19, 2006, the Explorers Bible Study Class was prevented from attending their class by members of the Leadership Board. They were locked out. 

This class for seniors had existed for many years. Some of the seniors have been members of FBCC for over 35 years. Not too long ago the class was recognized as a role model for other classes to follow. To imply the teachers were not "Biblicly accurate" in their teaching nor conforming , "...to the standards of the church doctrine and the Bible." is wrong. Since you never were in the class I presume you were told this by others. So how can you say it with such authority? 

It was during this lock-out that three church members were told they were dismissed from the church. Written confirmation of the dismissal by the Leadership Board for four members arrived the next day. I was there for the whole spectacle on Sunday and no damage occurred. The accusation is unfounded and borders on libel.

As for relocating the church and the Joshua Project, there never was any doubt about moving the church outside Colleyville. Among specifications developed by the Long Range Planning Committee the requirement for land was identified as forty acres and endorsed by Dr. Harber. To the best of my memory, the Joshua Project Brochure indicated 13 sites were being investigated. It was widely known no Colleyville land met the specifications because of Colleyville's growth. Logic dictates any move would be outside Colleyville. The second campus concept seems like another bite at the same apple, even with the person who was co- chair of the Long Planning Committee now becoming chair for the new campus idea. 

You mentioned Prestonwood's membership at 20,000 members. That's a wonderful achievement for God's kingdom. 

Now let's look at FBC growth. There was very significant growth at FBCC after Dr. Harber's arrival. It seems member growth peaked to about 4748. This number was obtained from the auditor's report for year-end March 31, 2004. 

Look at what has happened since then. Membership has decreased to 2753 as of August 29, 2005, per information from FBCC's attorney. That's more than a 40% decline! It's interesting to note that this information has had very, very limited distribution among members. As a side note, On Got Life Ministries.com Dr. Harber reports he is "leading a rapidly growing congregation of 4,000 plus members". Why? 

During the decline in membership the number of services was reduced from four to two. It's small wonder that some crowding is occurring in the worship center. Member and visitor attendance on Sundays continues to be strong. The difficulty with this statistic is that visitor attendance does not seem to translate readily to new members and membership continues "churning" out the back door.


I believe the spin concerning the rewritten by-laws in the March 14 email is grossly deceptive. Yes, clauses were written to reflect legal and code requirements. Do members think that's the only change the new by-laws brought about? If so, they are sadly mistaken. The rewritten by-laws drastically changed almost every aspect of how the church is governed. 

I quote from FBCC's 1990 By-laws, "This is a sovereign and democratic Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ.The membership retains unto itself the right of exclusive self-government in all phases of the spiritual and temporal life of this church."

The rewritten by-laws are diametrically opposite to a democratically member-centered church. Under the new by-laws all governance, power and authority are placed in the "Leadership Board", only seven persons. Dr. Harber becomes President and Chairman of the Board. Member involvement in governance is marginalized under the by-laws. How many members do you think read the 1990 by-laws? How many were provided with comparative information between the rewritten by-laws and 1990 by-laws so as to exercise an informed vote? You know the answer! Eighty percent of the members at the meeting, including children votes, voted to approve the bylaws. However, the total of the affirmative vote is less than 17% of the total membership. When you examine the process leading to the vote and delve into the numbers is it any wonder members might conclude that some "nefarious plot", as you described it, is afoot?

You characterized the four dismissed members and others as making "vicious attacks" at the meeting to vote on the by-laws. I remember people speaking because of their deep concerns about the changes which would be implemented if the rewritten by laws were implemented, as well as members speaking in favor of them. Virtually all speakers were passionate because of the magnitude of change from member-centered governance to totalitarian governance with little or no accountability. However, in my recollection, none was vicious. 

Another possible impact arising from the rewritten by-laws and recent actions initiated under them, is FBCC's status as a BAPTIST church may be in jeopardy. This view has been suggested by Dr. Malcom Yarnell, a brilliant Oxford scholar at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. 

Lastly, I am sending this email not to attack you but to provide facts and information to you and others which hopefully provides more insight into the differing perspectives.

N. Mattson 
Colleyville
March 17, 2006 @6:30 PM
Church members should be entitled to financial information
Dear Editor: 

I have been following your stories about the actions of First Baptist Church of Colleyville with some interest. 

Some of the responses in the stories, columns and letters to the editor puzzle me. For example, one story mentioned that a church spokesman said that the four members in question had been provided “all information which members are entitled”. One would think that members of a church would be entitled to all information associated with the church and especially all financial information. All activities of a church should be open to all members. Can one not assume that church members should be entitled to at least as much financial information about the organization as stockholders in public held companies are entitled to receive?

Another column mentioned a charge of damage to church property and then when questioned, this charge was retracted. Why was the charge made in the first place? Was this an attempt to discredit the four members who were removed? 

Then there was a letter saying that one individual who had made comments had a spouse who was employed at the church. This was refuted with the explanation that the spouse “did work part-time Marriage and Family Matters for which does receive some support from FBC Colleyville”; however there was no explanation of what type or amount of “support” was provided by the church. Perhaps this is the type information that the members who were removed were seeking? 

Finally, I and apparently many others am wondering why Dr. Harber, who is reputed to be an eloquent speaker has not responded to LNO requests for information. 

Karen Moore
Pigeon Forge, Tennessee
March 17, 2006 @6:30 PM
Church members should be entitled to financial information
Dear Editor: 

I have been following your stories about the actions of First Baptist Church of Colleyville with some interest. 

Some of the responses in the stories, columns and letters to the editor puzzle me. For example, one story mentioned that a church spokesman said that the four members in question had been provided “all information which members are entitled”. One would think that members of a church would be entitled to all information associated with the church and especially all financial information. All activities of a church should be open to all members. Can one not assume that church members should be entitled to at least as much financial information about the organization as stockholders in public held companies are entitled to receive?

Another column mentioned a charge of damage to church property and then when questioned, this charge was retracted. Why was the charge made in the first place? Was this an attempt to discredit the four members who were removed? 

Then there was a letter saying that one individual who had made comments had a spouse who was employed at the church. This was refuted with the explanation that the spouse “did work part-time Marriage and Family Matters for which does receive some support from FBC Colleyville”; however there was no explanation of what type or amount of “support” was provided by the church. Perhaps this is the type information that the members who were removed were seeking? 

Finally, I and apparently many others am wondering why Dr. Harber, who is reputed to be an eloquent speaker has not responded to LNO requests for information. 

Karen Moore
Pigeon Forge, Tennessee
March 15, 2006 @11:24 PM
Where is Dr. Harber's response?
Where is Dr. Harber's response to all of the comments to your articles 
and 'growing' incoming emails? He can't just ignore them? I like to 
hope he is not expecting his existing church representatives to answer 
for him. *We the 'general public' are waiting to hear from him.* He 
writes books, creates CDs and speaks to groups....so where is he now? 
With him not responding it is setting such a bad example for our young 
people who are researching and sampling religions to find out what is 
right for them.

Dr. Harber's vision for his church's growth is understandable but he 
should include the rejoice of his church members with him on this path 
he has chosen. The problem that is coming to light is that Dr. Harber 
has forgotten the key words 'work together'' with all of the 'voted in' 
church representative members to "develop idea proposals" through 
accepted and approved documented church procedures.

Any changes to existing an Church Policy and and Procedure should be 
provided to the congregation, voted, and signed off my the church 
representatives. Any changes to policies and procedures should follow 
existed documented procedures for revisions to policy and procedures.

With today's technology the advantages of getting your 'message out' is 
available through websites ( which Dr. Harber is already using), CDs, 
he is also aware of satellite capability which connects church 
locations. The advantage of satellite, a church does not have to 
relocate and spend money to move to a new area. The only expense is 
setting up the network connections, which varies in prices with the 
vendor selected. The bottom line...it's cheaper than building a new church.
Eli Duplantis

Editor's Note:  LNO has contacted FBCC via telephone and email seeking an interview with Dr. Harber.  Further, LNO has encouraged readers that support Dr. Harber to encourage his to grant an interview to specifically address questions about the events that took place concerning the changes of bylaws to questions concerning finances of the church.  To date Dr. Harber, or any spokesman for the church, has elected to take advantage of LNO's offer to give them an open forum in this electronic news source.
March 15, 2006 @1:45 PM
Motives in matters at the First Baptist Church Colleyville
It seems my sincerity has been called into question because of where my wife worked. I would like to set the record straight. My wife did work part-time Marriage and Family Matters for which does receive some support from FBC Colleyville. She also volunteers to answer phones and do filing for the Church office. She also sings in the choir, as do I, volunteers for missions activities, and helps out in the Women's Ministry of FBCC. Earlier this year my wife resigned from the ministry she worked for. I find it absurd that someone would accuse me so openly without having the facts, especially since when I discovered my error I was quick to point it out. If anyone has any questions regarding what I've posted you may feel free to contact me via e-mail or telephone, which the publisher has my permission to print or give out. 

This controversy has gone on long enough! We, both those embroiled in this controversy as well as the American Church in general, have forgotten what being a "Disciple of Christ" means. I include myself in that because I am as guilty as anyone of it. Each one of us is called to " ...deny himself and take up his cross and follow... Matthew 16:24" There is no place for self among Christians. The Master himself said: "Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. John 13:16" as he washed his disciples feet. I plead with everyone involved in this to truly examine themselves in the light of Scripture and find the "board" in our own eyes. 

The apostle Paul said it best:

Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will. 2 Timothy 2:23-26 

Sincerely,
John C. Swaringen
March 15, 2006 @10:19  AM
Could Swaringen's column be shaded by the fact his wife works for Harber?

Did you know the author of this column, John Swaringen, has a wife, Didi, who works for First Baptist Colleyville? I wonder if this shades his view and opinions?

In his point seven he states "I seriously doubt there would have been any problem if
it was ONLY bible study that was going on." I know that Mr. Swaringen is not a member of the class and have never seen him visit the class, so how does he
know what was being taught?

I AM a member of the class, I am NOT one of the four who were kicked out, and I know the teaching was biblical! I never heard any talk about church politics during the class.

With this fact being misrepresented by Mr Swaringen, does it fall into his "this was based on third party information that I cannot verify. Therefore it is subject to the hearsay rule"? How then can we believe anything he has to say? Clearing up some
inaccuracies? Does not seem like it. Rather seemslike he is bearing false witness by either reporting his views of the matter or providing hearsay. Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." 

Fearing reprisal I wish to remain anonymous. Thanks!
(Name withheld by request verified by LNO email)
March 15, 2006 @ 8:03 AM
Frank Harber's Church of Colleyville'
To the Editor of LNO, 
I believe 'First Baptist Church of Colleyville' would be better described as 'Frank Harber's Church of Colleyville' based on the new bylaws and his words reported by former pastor Paul Varnedo, "These people didn't go to school to learn how to run a church, I DID, so it will be done MY WAY...You may think the church is a democracy but IT IS NOT! It is a monarchy, and I AM THE HEAD OF THIS CHURCH!" 

Any real 'First Baptist Church' has CHRIST as the head with members having INDIVIDUAL PRIESTHOOD, and not some educated person acting like a prideful egoistic bully. His new bylaws allow him to fire any staff member with or without cause at the snap of his finger. Of course he already did that years ago with Paul Varnedoe. Varnedoe related that correcting Harber did not win him a popularity contest. I agree with him after my only visit to Harber's church. 

After attending the first preaching service, I met Harber in a hall and handed him one of 500 slips of paper I had in my hand. I told him I had decided not to hand any of them out but only to him as he was the only one that could solve the trouble that was going on. The paper reads: 
1. Leadership Board dissolved the Colleyville Senior Adult Bible Explorers 
Class on 11-6-05. 
2. The teacher was fired because he would not promise to always support the 
Senior Pastor. 
3. However, about 50 long time members have continued to meet with their 
fired teacher. 
4. Consequently, they have been denied Sunday school literature and a 
Christmas party. 
5. If the Board rules their disobedience is "disruption". they may be ejected from the church. 
6. Is it sad the new bylaws prevent anyone standing for them? 
Outsider, Rex Ray 11-27-05 

His face turned red and he handed the paper to a Board member while saying, "Take care of this!" He started walking away but turned and said, "I know this man, Rex Ray. I read his letter. [online of the Baptist Standard] He is evil!" My total time with Harber was less than three minutes. 

In all fairness to Harber, my letter may have turned his toes blue. In fact, I had him in mind when I wrote it: Have 'like minds' replaced the Bible? 11-21-05 

Fundamentalists ignore 1 Peter 5:3: "Don't lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your good example." Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary hasn't stoned prophets, but its leaders' practice of control and dominance has split churches and conventions, and fired missionaries-all in the name of God. Its president searched worldwide for 'like minds' to replace the 'fired' 30 million adherents in the Baptist World Alliance.

'Like minds' has replaced the Bible as the doctrinal guideline with Southern Baptist Convention's 2000 Baptist Faith & Message. If pride had weight, they would need wheelbarrows. As long as no one takes a stand against pastors being rulers, the International Mission Board acting as Nebuchadnezzar, the SBC drifting toward Catholicism, control and dominance will reign and individual priesthood (born at Calvary) must bow to authority. 

Hooray for the BGCT rejecting "like minds" having a booth at their convention. 
Rex Ray 

Example of pastor being ruler: Frank Harber. Examples of IMB acting as 
Nebuchadnezzar: Fired missionaries. This year they rejected missionary 
applicants who do what the president of the IMB does, and they must be 
baptized by a person with approved authority. Example of SBC drifting 
toward Catholicism: Committee interpreting Scripture into creeds that are 
mandatory. 

I was escorted to my car by a man and told not to use their parking lot again. We talked for almost an hour and I grew to like him. He said Harber was so upset for the second service, he stuttered a lot. I learned later that word got around he had been accosted. 

The 'ejected four members' were charged for refusing to repent of sin. Is it strange 'refusing to repent of sin' is the main reason the new bylaws permits the church to eject the Senior Pastor? 

Harber fired Joe Deupree as a teacher for not promising to always support him. Then he disbanded his class, withheld their Sunday School literature, canceled their Christmas party, locked them out of the church, and finally ejected four of them from church. The worst part of their dismissal papers was it ended with "God bless." Hmmm, is that persecuting Christians as Paul was told?... "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting." 

It may turn out the gallows Harber constructed for the 'four' may be his own. 
Ejected Patsy Smith's email touched my heart. I've known Joe Deupree almost 50 years. He has a big heart and walks a straight line for the Lord. He doesn't retreat from hard work or power lords. My popularity among the Board members I met, did not increase when they learned I was his brother-in-law. 
Rex Ray 
Bonham, TX 
March 15, 2006 @ 8:03 AM
Dear LNO and all interested parties,
This issue at FBC Colleyville is simply an issue of insubordination and disrespect of the office of pastor, which is an epidemic across American churches.

The actions of these 4 ironically remind me of a story found in Numbers, chapter 16, the rebellion of Korah, Dathan and Abiram. The Bible described them as ‘well known community leaders’ that came as a group to oppose Moses and Aaron - there main gripe – “you have gone too far! The whole community is holy, every one of them, and the Lord is with them. Why then do you set yourselves above the Lord’s assembly?” – (sound familiar?)

At this point – I will ask you to open your Bibles and read to learn the outcome of the story; it may do us all some good for reminding us about who’s ultimately in charge here. The bottom line is, this open, rebellion against the office of pastor needs to cease immediately so the unity of the church is no longer threatened. 

The pastor will never have 100% of the church support his decisions, but it is our job as congregations to SUBMIT to the leadership of the BODY, as long as what the leadership is doing is not heretical. Part of being a Christian is being obedient to actions that we don’t understand and in some cases snatches us out of comfort zone.

Your, humble, fellow southern Baptist servant, 

Shelby Hazzard
Indianola, Mississippi
March 14, 2006 @ 9:14 PM
IN REGARDS TO THE STATEMENT IN YOUR 3/14 E-MAIL

"Anything that shows Southern Baptists for what they really are is good in my book.

Floyd Jacobs
Norman Oklahoma"

I AM A SOUTHERN BAPTIST AND THIS IS WHAT I REALLY AM. I INVITE YOU TO SHARE THIS ALSO THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD!

"First, I have everlasting life, John 3:16
Second, I have a mansion in heaven, John 14:2
Third, I have peace that passes all understanding, Philippians 4:7
Fourth, I have joy unspeakable, 1 Peter 1:8
Fifth, I have divine love which never fails, 1 Corinthians 13:8
Sixth, I have a faithful wife, Proverbs 31:10
Seventh, I have healthy, happy obedient children, Exodus 20:12
Eighth, I have true, loyal friends, Proverbs 18:24
Ninth, I have songs in the night, Psalms 42:8
Tenth, I have a crown of life, James 1:12"

KEN BRANSON
COLLEYVILLE, TX
March 13, 2006 @ 8:32 pm
Showing up Southern Baptists

Dear Sirs
I've enjoyed reading the series on the egregious conduct of your local SBC church and pastor. Anything that shows Southern Baptists for what they really are is good in my book.

Floyd Jacobs
Norman Oklahoma
March 12, 2006 @ 6:08 pm
Former Chairman of Deacons at FBCC weighs in..
My name is Larry Brown, and I live in Granbury. My wife and I were members of FBC=Colleyville for nine years from1989 to 1998. It was during these years when I witnessed the hand of God on this church, as he blessed it with record growth from an attendance of less than 300 to over 1,400. I served the church as Chairman of Deacons for four of those nine years. There were no finer, more dedicated Christians than Joe and Jane Deupree . They believe that the church was made up of baptised believers who served God by serving others. They never sought attention,instead they gave others attention. What's happening today in FBC-Colleyville saddens not only the hearts of Joe and Jane, but it saddens the heart of GOD. FBC-Colleyville is GOD'S CHURCH, and exists solely to glorify him, not any man.

GOD BLESS, LARRY B.
March 11, 2006 @ 6:40 pm
First Baptist Church ceased to be Baptist Church says scholar?
I had a very enlightening conversation with Dr. Malcom Yarnell, a brilliant Oxford scholar at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. In brief I understood him to say, that based on his interpretation of the scriptures and of the Baptist Faith and Message 2000, that when a church votes to empower a board (whether elders, deacons or leaders) to act in regard to extending or denying membership to anyone without either sanction by or recourse to the congregation, that church then ceases to be a Baptist church. I believe, if I understand the situation at FBC Colleyville, that is exactly what has happened in your cases. Of course, Dr. Yarnell would have to speak for himself in that regard. I was very impressed with his understanding of the scripture and traditional Baptist church polity and I am more convinced than ever, that in the absence of some divine intervention congregational governance of the church is essential. This does not imply that pastors (bishops or elders), deacons and committees (or teams) cannot constructively serve a church so long as the ultimate authority resides in the hand of God or His local congregation.

R. E. Smith
March 11, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
Formerly a member of FBCC
Regarding 4 Ousted Members of FBC Colleyville. My family and I joined FBC Colleyville in 1974 and remained active members until our move to Clifton, TX in 1992. During those years I served as a trustee, assistant treasurer , building committee member, assistant Sun.School teacher, and member of numerous committees. My husband served as a deacon and adult Sun. School teacher while also serving on many committees.

My 2 children came to trust the Lord and were baptized at FBC Colleyville.
My daughter was married in this Church and she and her husband have seen 3
of their children come to know the Lord and be baptized at FBC
Colleyville.So you see, FBCC has been and is very dear to my heart.

I have heard Dr. Harber on many occasions and he is an excellent speaker.
However, I have come to see that a Preacher/speaker and a Pastor/shepherd
are different things. I also visited the Bible Explorers class and been
blessed by the in-depth Bible study and wonderful fellowship in this
class.

I have taken 2 trips with the class and observed the Christian fellowship
and friendships that are in that class. Joe and Jane Deupree have been
Christian friends for over 30 years and I know these peoples hearts. They
have devoted much of their lives to nurturing and building up FBCC and
much of the warmth and caring of the Bible Explorers class starts with them.

I am distressed that the church has put itself in the position to be judged for ousting, Patsy Smith, a widow. Being a widow myself, I can tell you that you need the blessing of your church and Christian friends to sustain you. Just because a widow doesn't need financial or physical help from her church doesn't mean that we don't need our church. The Lord spoke to mistreatment of widows both in the OT and the NT -- Exodus 22:22-24 and James 1:27. Having one's Church membership taken away would be heartbreaking and a mistreatment. My heart goes out to Patsy Smith.

 The Church is a body of baptized believers and the Bride of Christ.  Injustice has been done to the 4 ousted members for their only fault is to  disagree with changes in the By-Laws and relocation of the Church out of  Colleyville. There has been no charge of Biblical inerrancy or immoral  living. Denying the Class classroom space and revoking memberships is  wrong and mean-spirited.

 I'm afraid FBCC is no longer the Church I knew, loved, and served. I pray  that God will intervene to place a spirit of conciliation in the hearts of  the staff and leadership committee; may they be enlightened that there is no need for secrecy of any records and that the 4 ousted members will be  restored to full membership.

Virginia Neelley
Clifton, TX
March 10, 2006 10:31 am
First Baptist Church Colleyville...pride, ego and anger.
To the editor of Local News Only
 I wrote to the blog of Wade Burleson who is a Trustee on the Baptist  International Mission Board. He posted it on his post of March 9, 2006  which had the subject of spiritual abuse.

 Wade, (March 10)  Jeff VanVonderen's book "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse" describes  my  brother-in-law's pastor. Could his schooling be partly to blame for his
 attitude? He holds the record of getting a Doctor's Degree in the shortest time at Southwestern Baptist Theology Seminary. A fired staff member quoted him as saying, "I went to school on  how to run a church,  I know how to run a church and I am going to run this church." His 'church running' was first  reported by on LNO.

 The Fort Worth Star Telegram reported the story, and tonight it was on TV.
 Tonight, I wrote the letter below to the Local News Only. As an outsider, I believe it does not take a prophet to see the inevitable split that will occur at First Baptist Church in Colleyville, Texas. There are three reasons. pride, ego, and anger. The devil uses these as much as he can with all of us.

 The new bylaws set the stage for this prediction. Page 11 of 20: "The highest ecclesiastical tribunal of the Church will be the LEADERSHIP BOARD. The Leadership Board shall be the express and final arbiter of ecclesiastical polity, Christian doctrine, MEMBERSHIP DISCIPLINE, questions of Church property, and shall make the final decision with respect to any other matter that shall arise concerning the Church, its internal workings, and its governance in every respect."

Page 13: "Senior Pastor shall be the LEADER of the Church congregation, the Church staff, all Church organizations, all Church ministries, LEADERSHIP BOARD, and all Church Advisory Committees." The power and authority as shown above in most Baptist churches is given to the church and not the pastor. There are many Baptist pastors who practice this authority but have the intelligence not to put it in writing. If a pastor can handle this authority without letting pride, ego, and anger take over, he may accomplish much for the Lord.

But Frank Harber has a big problem with pride as his own words reveal on an article about Harber on an all-star team but when his coach had another player bat for Harber, he quit the team in anger. For revenge against the coach the next year, he would not go out for baseball and he says he has regretted it ever since.

 The big question is why did Harber kick four popular members from his church?
 1. He wanted to move the church from Colleyville and even got a majority
 vote in favor almost a year ago.
 2. But now, the church will stay where it is and start another church. This should be a happy ending of the story but Harper was not happy.
 3. The efforts of these four interfered with his wishes to move the church. His authority was in jeopardy. They could have reminded him of his coach. It was easy to remove them since the church was not involved. It only took six other names
on a piece of paper. Revenge may be sweet but not Christian and regrets often follow.
 
 Rex Ray
 Bonham, TX 75418
 
PS Wade Burleson (IMB Trustee on his blog of March 9, 2006) said...
 Rex,
 Debated not posting your comment. Very, very close to being too personal,
 but I read the public news releases and feel you are not saying things not
already said publicly.

March 10, 2006 7:24 am
First Baptist Church Colleyville problems cannot prevail if commandments are followed

MT 22:37 Jesus said to him, " 'you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
MT 22:38 "This is the first and great commandment.
MT 22:39 "And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
MT 22:40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

The problems at First Baptist Colleyville cannot prevail if these two commandments are followed. What we have here is a power struggle. However, the head of the church is Jesus Christ. In his prayer he answers the power question and addresses God’s will.

MT 6:9 "In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.
MT 6:10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.
MT 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
MT 6:12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.
MT 6:13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

JOH 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
Prayer is the answer. The question is, “What do all of us need to do more of?”.

Dr. Ken Branson
Colleyville, Tx
March 09, 2006 10:37 am
Very disappointed with First Baptist Colleyville
Some people in that church need a lot of prayers said for them, and they'd better be glad that God is forgiving! 

Having read about the recent occurrences at this church I am not surprised. 

Summer of 04 my son was 4 1/2 years old and my daughter was 16. She would be visiting us for several weeks from Albuquerque.  They wanted to do something fun together, and we thought that Vacation Bible School would be nice, so I sought to enroll them both.

We typically attend Highland Meadows, but had missed their classes, so I found out FBC had a class that worked with my daughter's scheduled visit.

First thing I did was go by church foyer during sunday am svc to get the enrollment forms. There were probably 6 or 8 people standing around. Noon even spoke to me. They were very rude.

I walked over to a table and a woman promptly approached asking me if I was interested in something. I explained that I was looking for VBS info. She said she could not help me with that...turned, and walked away. 

I gradually found what I was looking for, without any of their assistance. 

Their requirement was that a child under 5 had to be accompanied by an adult or they could not attend the classes. My son was going into Kindergarten in the fall, so I contacted someone with the VBC classes. I explained that my son was 4 1/2, about to start private kindergarten in a few months, his 16 yr old sister would be in town for a few weeks, and that they wanted to do this together. 

I ALSO THOROUGHLY EXPLAINED 2 THINGS TO THIS INDIVIDUAL:

1- MY DAUGHTER HAS A HEARING IMPAIRMENT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HER
WHEN YOU TALK, SHE WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.

2 - ALTHOUGH SHE SPEAKS WITH AN ACCENT (SHE'S BULGARIAN), HER
ENGLISH IS EXCELLENT, IN FACT, SHE IS IN THE GIFTED PROGRAM FOR
ENGLISH AT HER SCHOOL IN ALBUQUERQUE.

The woman from the church said that was fine, and that needed older people in the classes to help out, so they could attend together. I said, great, just let my daughter know what you would like her to do and she would be happy to help.

At the end of the first day, I received a call from the woman at church, informing me that my kids could not come back --- when I asked why, all she would say was 'things did not go well'. 

I was stunned, and asked her what she meant by that, and she said:
'Your daughter does not speak English'. 

I quickly reminded her that I had informed at least two people there that she may have an accent, but her English was great!

This is how the remainder of our conversation went:

I restated what she'd said:
"You are telling me that my daughter does not speak English,
therefore she cannot attend your bible school with her brother, and
if she cannot attend, neither can her brother, because he is only 4
1/2."

WOMAN FROM CHURCH SAID: 
"Well, and apparently she cannot hear either". 

My comment to this was: 
"I had also explained to you that she has a hearing impairment, 
and if you look at her she knows what you are saying. You were fine 
with her accompanying him, as you said you guys needed help
anyways... They think that they are going to be there all week, so
what do you think I should tell them?...'you cannot go to this
church because English is not your first language, and they don't
like it that you have a hearing impairment'.

WOMAN FROM CHURCH: 
"She did not help out with the classroom. We need someone that
will help".

I then stated: 
"Did anyone even bother to tell her what they wanted her to help 
with? She was new, did not know anyone, and she was probably being 
respectful" 

WOMAN FROM CHURCH:
"Look, we made an exception that your son could attend with his
sister, it did not work, so they cannot come back'.

Myself::
"Well, if you dont allow him there without an adult, and she 
wants to be with him, then they will be there tomorrow WITH an adult.
I'll get a friend of mine to accompany them". That solves the problem.

WOMAN FROM CHURCH: 
"Your daughter cannot...."

Myself:
"You heard what I said, they will be there tomorrow with an
adult". 

Then I hung up the phone.
A family friend took them to vbc that next day, and for the
remainder of the week.
On Tuesday, she said that not one of the adults in the class would even talk to my daughter, so the next morning, she took her around the room and introduced her to each of the people. That day, another teenager attended and she was nice to my daughter and they got to visit with each other.

Kirsty Warkentin
Colleyville
March 07, 2006 3:19 pm
Funny to me

What's funny to me are all the people who are too afraid to sign their
names to their opinions. It's really hard for me to take someone
seriously when they're not willing to say who they are. This is not life
and death. No one is coming after you. This is your opinion. If you
can't sign your name on your own opinion then please keep it to
yourself. Please consider the source of these opinions and whether or
not someone is willing to put their name on them. 

Stephen Osborne
Editor's note:  While Mr. Osborne makes a valid point, LNO has had a policy to withhold names on request if the author can be verified, typically with a valid email address.  It is entirely at the discretion of LNO whether emails without names will be posted.  It should be noted a number of emails to the Editor, concerning recent articles about the First Baptist Church of Colleyville, whereby names were not submitted or could be verified, have not been posted.
March 07, 2006 2:15 pm
FBCC, all in my Prayers

When hurt by others, is it easy to walk away or is there the desire
to hurt back? In Matthew 5:44 Jesus said, “Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you.” I do not think anything else needs to be said.

All of you will be in my Prayers.

Jason Mainquist
March 07, 2006 12:46 pm
Joe Deupree was the Treasurer at FBCC
Dear Publisher:

My husband, two year old daughter and I moved to Colleyville in November 1975. We resided there in our home until October of 1997, when my husband's work moved us to Savannah, Georgia. 

Jane Deupree was the Welcome Wagon Lady of Colleyville at that time. She visited us and invited us to FBCC. We joined there in the Spring of 1976. My husband was ordained a Deacon there in the Fall of 1976. Our son was born in April of 1977. FBCC church life was a huge part of our life during our family's growing up years. Both our daughter and son accepted Christ and were baptized at FBCC. During the years of 1979 through 1985, I was the church's Financial Secretary, and none other than Joe Deupree was the Church's Treasurer. He instructed me on how to do the Financial Secretary's job. When I started, it was only a few hours a week, and as the church grew the job grew to a half-time job. It was perfect while my children were growing up.

I know no finer person on this earth than Joe Deupree. We lived at the other end of Montclair Dr. from them. Our children learned to swim in their pool. Their graciousness and caring has always meant so much to us over all these years. When we moved from Colleyville (which was extremely difficult), it was Joe and Jane who hosted a going away party for us. 

Joe and Jane's love of Christ, Christ's people and Christ's Church has always been a shining beacon for my family and I. It deeply saddens our family to hear of what has happened at FBCC. Are these Christ's ways or man's ways to deal with situations?

Our prayers and thoughts are with Joe and the other people so deeply affected by these recent events.

Sincerely,

Janice L. Bible
Bloomingdale, GA
March 06, 2006 9:56 pm
God's House Hijacked
The following is an Email I sent to the Pastor and Leadership Board, First Baptist Church Colleyville, October 2005.

To: Frank Harber, Barrett Johnson and Leadership Board
Subject: Church Leaders
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:13 PM

Regarding your actions to personally attack members of our church, because they question the direction you want to take the church, is wrong. The faithful leaders, you are demanding to step down from their leadership rolls in the church, are dedicated believers in Christ and the First Baptist Church, Colleyville. They have been instrumental in helping you build the church for which you take great pride and credit. They do not want to tear it apart.

Joe Deupree and his family have devoted most of their lives to serve the cause of Christ in First Baptist Church and the community of Colleyville. Why not ask for his help in the leadership of our church instead of demanding he give up any leadership roll in the church.

Michael Taylor, a dedicated deacon, serving in many capacities of the church is also a strong supporter of First Baptist Church and a devoted Christian leader in the community. Why not ask for his help in the leadership or our church instead of demanding he give up any leadership roll in the church.

It is my prayer that you will take a good look at what these individuals can do for the church, rather than what you mistakenly think they will do to the church. Do not publicly denounce these men as failures in the church!

Please reconsider your actions regarding the leadership of First Baptist Church, Colleyville. A stubbed toe is not cancer, surgery is not required!

I asked the Lord to bless you
As I prayed for you today
To guide you and protect you
As you go along your way...
His love is always with you,
His promises are true
And when we give 
Him all our cares
You know
He will see us through

Howard Douglas
Member
First Baptist Church, Colleyville

Note: Since the time I wrote this to the Pastor and Leadership Board they have officially removed several dedicated seniors from the church membership. These members include Joe Deupree, Patsy Smith, Skip Mattson, and Danny Walker. It is difficult for me to think of any of these members not being God's chosen people. What do the unbelievers think when they see how the true believers of Christ are treated by the Christian Church??

Now, not only has the church removed the toe, they have removed the entire leg. When the foundation is removed, the pillars fall.

Mathew 6:14-15 14 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Howard Douglas
March 06, 2006 7:44 am
Question your motives and convictions
Dear Sir,

You obviously have never set foot within Gods house in Colleyville, or you would see for yourself the wonderful and amazing things he is doing there. How you can bash a ministry that is reaching thousands for Christ is beyond me. To do so makes me question your motives and your convictions. Either you stand for God and his body, or you stand for the enemy, as there is no middle ground. I am ashamed of your site and of your reporter, who needs to go back to college and learn the difference between fact and fiction. 

Jonathan Weiss
Editor's Note -Concerning "fact from fiction," LNO provided documents, letters, quotes and copies of church literature in the article.  There is more than one House of God in Colleyville. However,  I have seen Dr. Frank Harber give a number of dynamic sermons in the FBCC House of God.
Finally, if I were to learn the difference of "fact from fiction" it most likely would not be in college.
March 05, 2006 9:01 pm
Frank Harber and Olin Collins
Dr. Harber should remember he started out as an atheist, then got a PH.D from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in a record setting 2 1/2 years. He speaks to folks about "intellectual truthfulness of Christianity", but fails to provide the same for members of his own church. One note to all this, which is amazing it has not been brought up, is he is/was very close knit with another "pastor" in our area by the name of Olin Collins. And for those who are wondering who Olin Collins is, well remember a "mega" church in Watauga that had the sex scandal years ago. Maybe, Frank and Olin will build their "churches" together somewhere else. 

JR - Colleyville-name withheld
email verified
March 05, 2006 7:38  pm
First Baptist Church Colleyville woes
Good Day, 

I've been an active member of FBC Colleyville for over 16 years. Your article probably has some truth buried in it, however, it's very very one sided. Being very involved, I haven't seen the throngs of church members rallying around the ousted 4. I don't hear words of dissention, which God says he despises (see Proverbs Ch 6), except from a handful. 

What your article says is, one tenth of one percent of the church's congregation is unhappy. I wish all churches were that agreeable. Also, I challenge you to find a perfect church, or perfect staff member, or perfect church member. 

I don't agree with everything the leadership of any church I've attended has had to say. But they ARE the leadership. There's a church on every corner, if I get fed up here, I'll go elsewhere. What I won't ever do is be a stumbling block that could keep those, who do not believe, from Christ. That is all that these four will accomplish. If they "win", they divide the church. If they lose, folks like you will get the most mileage of busting church chops as you can. 

If Frank can grow this church, and God leads him to it, then he should do as he's led. Move, don't move; satellite, no satellite; I'm going where God sends the staff that he has seen fit to place over me. The bible specifically states that God chooses those in authority over us.

There are so many ways that these four are biblically wrong I can't even count them. Fortunately, Jesus gives forgiveness and healing.

JW Whit Boyd

Editor's Note:  LNO has made several requests by telephone and email for the opportunity to visit with Dr. Frank Harber to ask clarification questions, however there has been no response. 
March 05, 2006 11:38 am
Colleyville Baptist Article was well written
First, let me say I thought the article was well written and avoided editorializing by presenting the facts for the readers' information.

It's hard for me to realize how a Baptist church, which is a denomination always known for its independence and freedom of thought, could have allowed itself to be controlled by a pastor and a committee. What is that quote about for evil to prevail, good men only need to do nothing. Thank goodness, there are a few good folks who are trying to do something! I commend them for their determination.

Thank you for this article. 
Rollie and Ann Rinker
March 05, 2006 7:05 am
Seniors Locked Out of the First Baptist Church Colleyville

Thank you for publishing the story about the senior adults who were "locked out" of Sunday School at First Baptist Church, Colleyville. Many of the seniors who were "locked out" are members who donated their time, talents, and finances to build the original buildings as well as the two new worship centers and educational spaces on the site. We know these people to be Christians who only seek what is pleasing to God. The land was donated by the Hayes family to be used for a Southern Baptist Church. It should not be sold for any other use. If Frank Harbor wants a church in a different location, he should resign and establish a church in a location of his choice. Instead, he is revoking memberships and asking members to leave when they disagree with his policies. 

Former CV Staff Member
name withheld by request via verified email submittal
March 04, 2006 6:25 pm
Ref:  First Baptist Colleyville..Mike Taylor should have been mentioned


My husband and I have been members of First Baptist Colleyville since the church used to hold services in what we now call the "Jungle". That predates Dr. Harber by a few years. We have never found Dr. Harber to be at all inaccessible. He is friendly, open, and a very committed, involved pastor. We aren't on staff, don't hold any major positions within the church, and are out of town many Sundays--at this point in our lives we are what might be characterized as "out of the loop". Unlike his characterization in the article, we feel like Dr. Harber cares about our family as well as every other family in our church. 

As someone on the outside looking in, it seems like the four you are featuring in your article believe they are somehow entitled to special privileges. We were present at a business meeting and it was one of the saddest things we've ever experienced. Mike Taylor, who should have been mentioned in your article as well, seemed intent on putting words in the mouth of a congregation that just didn't exist. He, Ms Smith, and others seemed intent to pursue some kind of agenda as they delayed a vote for hours. Thankfully, church members waited them out--we were afraid we would be there into the night--and the end result was resounding support for the direction of our church and its leadership. The complaints and so called concerns that you reference do not reflect the attitudes and beliefs of the majority of our church members. Just because you are a longtime member, or your family donated land, your wishes for the future of the church do not supercede what the congregation sees as the future of First Baptist Colleyville. Again, as typical churchgoers, we hope and pray that these four can find a church that they love and support like we love and support FBCC. Our church is a wonderful church for senior adults, but you won't find many churches that can allow groups to meet on their campuses with a leader asked not to lead. Like any other church, our church would never lock out a group that had followed the proper procedures for holding a meeting. If they were locked out, I would venture to guess they knew they were someplace they weren't supposed to be.

First Baptist Colleyville does a lot of awesome things in this community. I hope your negative article will be followed by a more positive one that is more realistic in its presentation of what our church as a whole is all about. We have a lot of members, senior adults included, that contribute so much to what our church is all about--I'm sure Dr. Harber or another staff member would be thrilled to tell you about some of our seniors that dedicate so much time and effort in doing the Lord's work. If you would like some names of those involved in some of our missions work, or evangelism, please e-mail me back and I will provide you with some. I hate for your article to leave those in our community with the idea that we don't welcome and love our seniors.

Thanks for the opportunity to comment,
Rick & Mindy McClure

Editor's Note: Regarding Mike Taylor, we understand he also received a letter suggesting he would be happier at another church, however we do not believe his membership was revoked from the church.  If Mr. Taylor has comments about his position, he is welcome to respond.

Concerning Dr. Harber, or anyone else at the church being "thrilled" to tell LNO about issues, we have requested input and will continue to do so.  The article was about the four members thrown out of FBCC, following articles will discuss finances and 55 seniors in a Bible Study Class that do not seem to share your enthusiasm.  However, we encourage an open dialogue with the church leaders to provide LNO readers a balanced view.
March 04, 2006 11:35 am
Imperial Pastor

First Baptist Church Colleyville is "dually aligned" with both the Baptist General Convention of Texas and a newer "Southern Baptists of Texas Convention," a group of fundamentalist churches unhappy that the BGCT has not supported the fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention. Such churches are quite often led by "imperial pastors" with a somewhat authoritarian manner, especially when they encounter opposition. This pastor sure appears to it that mold.

J. Ellis, Conroe
March 04, 2006 9:35 am
Editor - Reference the First Baptist Church of Colleyville

This is the TIP of the iceberg. Many other members have been approached 
and told to leave or that they might have a better fit in another church. All 
because they voted against changing the "By-Laws" and against "Joshua 
Project". Some members were even approached at the meeting to vote on 
changing the By-Laws and told that they were not going to be called on, so 
they should not raise their hand nor stand looking for an opportunity to 
ask any questions. In other words, if you had a different opinion you were 
marked and only a few were allowed to question. Then they turned the vote 
into a 1) Vote For Dr. Harbor and the New By-Laws or 2) Vote against Dr. 
Harbor and the new By-Laws) That meeting should not have been about Dr. 
Harbor only the "By-Laws".

Name withheld by request, verified by email
March 04, 2006 7:25 am
Editor First Baptist Church

Past articles

How can I view recent articles on the First Baptist church of
Colleyville and their locking the doors for members?

Gay Leverett
fflministries
The Link for the first story is:
http://archive.localnewsonly.com/2006lno/news/06_03_03firstbaptist.htm
When looking for past article, go to the archives section, with links to articles going back four to five years on LNO and/or try the site search on the top of any page.
March 03, 2006 5:30 am
FBC - WOW

WOW! Based on that news article, I guess the doors at "the inn" are not open to anyone less than perfect asking difficult questions. Just when I was considering visiting that congregation too. Maybe Pastor Harber has forgotten that he was once an athiest who himself started asking very difficult questions against the church. If no one wants to answer your difficult questions, maybe they really are hiding something.

A. - Hurst
Name withheld by request, verified by email
 
March 06, 2006 9.46 pm
God's House Hijacked

The following is an Email I sent to the Pastor and Leadership Board, First Baptist Church Colleyville, October 2005.

To: Frank Harber, Barrett Johnson and Leadership Board
Subject: Church Leaders
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:13 PM

Regarding your actions to personally attack members of our church, because they question the direction you want to take the church, is wrong. The faithful leaders, you are demanding to step down from their leadership rolls in the church, are dedicated believers in Christ and the First Baptist Church, Colleyville. They have been instrumental in helping you build the church for which you take great pride and credit. They do not want to tear it apart.

Joe Deupree and his family have devoted most of their lives to serve the cause of Christ in First Baptist Church and the community of Colleyville. Why not ask for his help in the leadership of our church instead of demanding he give up any leadership roll in the church.

Michael Taylor, a dedicated deacon, serving in many capacities of the church is also a strong supporter of First Baptist Church and a devoted Christian leader in the community. Why not ask for his help in the leadership or our church instead of demanding he give up any leadership roll in the church.

It is my prayer that you will take a good look at what these individuals can do for the church, rather than what you mistakenly think they will do to the church. Do not publicly denounce these men as failures in the church!

Please reconsider your actions regarding the leadership of First Baptist Church, Colleyville. A stubbed toe is not cancer, surgery is not required!

I asked the Lord to bless you
As I prayed for you today
To guide you and protect you
As you go along your way...
His love is always with you,
His promises are true
And when we give 
Him all our cares
You know
He will see us through

Howard Douglas
Member
First Baptist Church, Colleyville

Note: Since the time I wrote this to the Pastor and Leadership Board they have officially removed several dedicated seniors from the church membership. These members include Joe Deupree, Patsy Smith, Skip Mattson, and Danny Walker. It is difficult for me to think of any of these members not being God's chosen people. What do the unbelievers think when they see how the true believers of Christ are treated by the Christian Church??

Now, not only has the church removed the toe, they have removed the entire leg. When the foundation is removed, the pillars fall.

Mathew 6:14-15 14 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Howard Douglas
March 06, 2006 7:44 am
Question your motives and convictions
Dear Sir,

You obviously have never set foot within Gods house in Colleyville, or you would see for yourself the wonderful and amazing things he is doing there. How you can bash a ministry that is reaching thousands for Christ is beyond me. To do so makes me question your motives and your convictions. Either you stand for God and his body, or you stand for the enemy, as there is no middle ground. I am ashamed of your site and of your reporter, who needs to go back to college and learn the difference between fact and fiction. 

Jonathan Weiss
Editor's Note -Concerning "fact from fiction," LNO provided documents, letters, quotes and copies of church literature in the article.  There is more than one House of God in Colleyville. However,  I have seen Dr. Frank Harber give a number of dynamic sermons in the FBCC House of God.
Finally, if I were to learn the difference of "fact from fiction" it most likely would not be in college.
March 05, 2006 9:01 pm
Frank Harber and Olin Collins
Dr. Harber should remember he started out as an atheist, then got a PH.D from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in a record setting 2 1/2 years. He speaks to folks about "intellectual truthfulness of Christianity", but fails to provide the same for members of his own church. One note to all this, which is amazing it has not been brought up, is he is/was very close knit with another "pastor" in our area by the name of Olin Collins. And for those who are wondering who Olin Collins is, well remember a "mega" church in Watauga that had the sex scandal years ago. Maybe, Frank and Olin will build their "churches" together somewhere else. 

JR - Colleyville-name withheld
email verified
March 05, 2006 7:38  pm
First Baptist Church Colleyville woes
Good Day, 

I've been an active member of FBC Colleyville for over 16 years. Your article probably has some truth buried in it, however, it's very very one sided. Being very involved, I haven't seen the throngs of church members rallying around the ousted 4. I don't hear words of dissention, which God says he despises (see Proverbs Ch 6), except from a handful. 

What your article says is, one tenth of one percent of the church's congregation is unhappy. I wish all churches were that agreeable. Also, I challenge you to find a perfect church, or perfect staff member, or perfect church member. 

I don't agree with everything the leadership of any church I've attended has had to say. But they ARE the leadership. There's a church on every corner, if I get fed up here, I'll go elsewhere. What I won't ever do is be a stumbling block that could keep those, who do not believe, from Christ. That is all that these four will accomplish. If they "win", they divide the church. If they lose, folks like you will get the most mileage of busting church chops as you can. 

If Frank can grow this church, and God leads him to it, then he should do as he's led. Move, don't move; satellite, no satellite; I'm going where God sends the staff that he has seen fit to place over me. The bible specifically states that God chooses those in authority over us.

There are so many ways that these four are biblically wrong I can't even count them. Fortunately, Jesus gives forgiveness and healing.

JW Whit Boyd

Editor's Note:  LNO has made several requests by telephone and email for the opportunity to visit with Dr. Frank Harber to ask clarification questions, however there has been no response. 
March 05, 2006 11:38 am
Colleyville Baptist Article was well written
First, let me say I thought the article was well written and avoided editorializing by presenting the facts for the readers' information.

It's hard for me to realize how a Baptist church, which is a denomination always known for its independence and freedom of thought, could have allowed itself to be controlled by a pastor and a committee. What is that quote about for evil to prevail, good men only need to do nothing. Thank goodness, there are a few good folks who are trying to do something! I commend them for their determination.

Thank you for this article. 
Rollie and Ann Rinker
March 05, 2006 7:05 am
Seniors Locked Out of the First Baptist Church Colleyville

Thank you for publishing the story about the senior adults who were "locked out" of Sunday School at First Baptist Church, Colleyville. Many of the seniors who were "locked out" are members who donated their time, talents, and finances to build the original buildings as well as the two new worship centers and educational spaces on the site. We know these people to be Christians who only seek what is pleasing to God. The land was donated by the Hayes family to be used for a Southern Baptist Church. It should not be sold for any other use. If Frank Harbor wants a church in a different location, he should resign and establish a church in a location of his choice. Instead, he is revoking memberships and asking members to leave when they disagree with his policies. 

Former CV Staff Member
name withheld by request via verified email submittal
March 04, 2006 6:25 pm
Ref:  First Baptist Colleyville..Mike Taylor should have been mentioned


My husband and I have been members of First Baptist Colleyville since the church used to hold services in what we now call the "Jungle". That predates Dr. Harber by a few years. We have never found Dr. Harber to be at all inaccessible. He is friendly, open, and a very committed, involved pastor. We aren't on staff, don't hold any major positions within the church, and are out of town many Sundays--at this point in our lives we are what might be characterized as "out of the loop". Unlike his characterization in the article, we feel like Dr. Harber cares about our family as well as every other family in our church. 

As someone on the outside looking in, it seems like the four you are featuring in your article believe they are somehow entitled to special privileges. We were present at a business meeting and it was one of the saddest things we've ever experienced. Mike Taylor, who should have been mentioned in your article as well, seemed intent on putting words in the mouth of a congregation that just didn't exist. He, Ms Smith, and others seemed intent to pursue some kind of agenda as they delayed a vote for hours. Thankfully, church members waited them out--we were afraid we would be there into the night--and the end result was resounding support for the direction of our church and its leadership. The complaints and so called concerns that you reference do not reflect the attitudes and beliefs of the majority of our church members. Just because you are a longtime member, or your family donated land, your wishes for the future of the church do not supercede what the congregation sees as the future of First Baptist Colleyville. Again, as typical churchgoers, we hope and pray that these four can find a church that they love and support like we love and support FBCC. Our church is a wonderful church for senior adults, but you won't find many churches that can allow groups to meet on their campuses with a leader asked not to lead. Like any other church, our church would never lock out a group that had followed the proper procedures for holding a meeting. If they were locked out, I would venture to guess they knew they were someplace they weren't supposed to be.

First Baptist Colleyville does a lot of awesome things in this community. I hope your negative article will be followed by a more positive one that is more realistic in its presentation of what our church as a whole is all about. We have a lot of members, senior adults included, that contribute so much to what our church is all about--I'm sure Dr. Harber or another staff member would be thrilled to tell you about some of our seniors that dedicate so much time and effort in doing the Lord's work. If you would like some names of those involved in some of our missions work, or evangelism, please e-mail me back and I will provide you with some. I hate for your article to leave those in our community with the idea that we don't welcome and love our seniors.

Thanks for the opportunity to comment,
Rick & Mindy McClure

Editor's Note: Regarding Mike Taylor, we understand he also received a letter suggesting he would be happier at another church, however we do not believe his membership was revoked from the church.  If Mr. Taylor has comments about his position, he is welcome to respond.

Concerning Dr. Harber, or anyone else at the church being "thrilled" to tell LNO about issues, we have requested input and will continue to do so.  The article was about the four members thrown out of FBCC, following articles will discuss finances and 55 seniors in a Bible Study Class that do not seem to share your enthusiasm.  However, we encourage an open dialogue with the church leaders to provide LNO readers a balanced view.
March 04, 2006 11:35 am
Imperial Pastor

First Baptist Church Colleyville is "dually aligned" with both the Baptist General Convention of Texas and a newer "Southern Baptists of Texas Convention," a group of fundamentalist churches unhappy that the BGCT has not supported the fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention. Such churches are quite often led by "imperial pastors" with a somewhat authoritarian manner, especially when they encounter opposition. This pastor sure appears to it that mold.

J. Ellis, Conroe
March 04, 2006 9:35 am
Editor - Reference the First Baptist Church of Colleyville

This is the TIP of the iceberg. Many other members have been approached 
and told to leave or that they might have a better fit in another church. All 
because they voted against changing the "By-Laws" and against "Joshua 
Project". Some members were even approached at the meeting to vote on 
changing the By-Laws and told that they were not going to be called on, so 
they should not raise their hand nor stand looking for an opportunity to 
ask any questions. In other words, if you had a different opinion you were 
marked and only a few were allowed to question. Then they turned the vote 
into a 1) Vote For Dr. Harbor and the New By-Laws or 2) Vote against Dr. 
Harbor and the new By-Laws) That meeting should not have been about Dr. 
Harbor only the "By-Laws".

Name withheld by request,
verified by email
March 04, 2006 7:25 am
Editor First Baptist Church

Past articles

How can I view recent articles on the First Baptist church of
Colleyville and their locking the doors for members?

Gay Leverett
fflministries
The Link
for the first story is:
http://archive.localnewsonly.com/2006lno/news/06_03_03firstbaptist.htm
When looking for past article, go to the archives section, with links to articles going back four to five years on LNO and/or try the site search on the top of any page.
March 03, 2006 8:05 pm
Applaud efforts on First Baptist
Editor

I applaud you for your article about Pastor Frank Harber and his activities at the First Baptist Church in Colleyville. What he and his small group has done
to that church needs exposure to the community. My children have left the church because of his activities. I hope that you might interest some of the metroplex news media in this affair. God is not being honored in this matter. 
Thank you,
Don Gilliland
Oklahoma City, OK
March 03, 2006 5:30 am
FBC - WOW

WOW! Based on that news article, I guess the doors at "the inn" are not open to anyone less than perfect asking difficult questions. Just when I was considering visiting that congregation too. Maybe Pastor Harber has forgotten that he was once an athiest who himself started asking very difficult questions against the church. If no one wants to answer your difficult questions, maybe they really are hiding something.

A. - Hurst
Name withheld by request, verified by email
February 25, 2006  7.12 pm
Gary Fickes for County Commissioner

Dear Editor,

What a great time to be living in Northeast Tarrant County! We are fortunate to have qualified individuals willing to serve in our elected positions, such as Gary Fickes who is running for County Commissioner in Precinct 3. Gary is a long time northeast Tarrant County resident who has distinguished himself in many different ways. 

He is a recognized community leader who has served in various leadership roles on a local and regional level. He also has participated on numerous councils formed to tackle difficult issues such a transportation and economic development. He has extensive business experience which would prove to be invaluable as a County Commissioner. 

Gary has a proven track record of positive, conservative Republican leadership. He knows what needs to be done and how to do it! However, he can get that job done by practicing fiscal responsibility with our precious tax dollars. What more can we ask for?

In reviewing the candidates for this position, there is no doubt in our minds who we think is the best person for our representative on the County Commission. We hope our friends and neighbors will join us in voting for Gary Fickes on March 7. 

John and Janice Kane
February 23, 2006 3.12 pm
Re Elect Truitt
Dear Editor,

My wife and I have watched State Representative Vicki Truitt grow from a “freshman” representative during her first session to a “seasoned” veteran who is highly respected among her peers at the Capitol. As a 7th generation Texan and a successful business owner, her first primary objective is to represent her constituents well. She serves on some of the most powerful & influential committees in the House, where she has the opportunity to vigorously advocate on our behalf.

Representative Truitt will always listen to the people at home, then fight like a bulldog for what she believes will help us, whether it be for private property rights, better education, health issues or a better tax structure. She is definitely one leader that we want to keep in Austin on the hill representing us! Please vote March 7 for Vicki Truitt!

Rob Rutherford
February 23, 2006 1.12 pm
Fickes for County Commissioner
Dear Editor,

Gary Fickes, former mayor of Southlake & long-time civic leader is supported by 25 current & former NETC mayors. His leadership role as chairman of the Metroport Cities Transportation Partnership resulted in improvements on numerous highways, including 114. 

Concerning the false allegations which have been made against him, Mr. Fickes resigned from the stated company in June,1991. I have seen the documentation from the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts that shows the company owed NO taxes at that time. We need to focus on important issues ahead and how he can assist this area in the years to come as Tarrant County Commissioner.


Mr. Fickes has served his community well in the past and will again in the future – let’s give him the chance! He is a successful businessman, husband, father and friend and I, along with the Metrotex Association of Realtors, am proud to support Gary Fickes.

Teresa Rutherford
February 15, 2006 8.45 pm
FITTED SHEETS

This comment is directed to a Ms. Lee (LNO dtd 12-18 )that experenced the bed sheet problem(s). I did not see a responce and I understand what a problem that is. I travel a lot and find any number of problems with hotel sheets. The solution is easy and works well. Bed Bath and Beyond, Sears, etc. sell a garder type of device that clips the sheet to the mattress. It clips the corners and goes under the mattress. No more problem.....My wife recommended !

Morris Usry
February 15, 2006 6.15 am
Star Telegram Lawsuit..they print everyone else's dirty laundry

Thank you for posting information about the S-T lawsuit. The newspaper's failure to publish this information is further evidence that they're not "earning the people's trust daily" but rather selectively publishing information to manipulate the community.

Can I suggest that you post some or all of the most interesting court filings. I think we all would enjoy reading the details about what happened at a company that is more than happy to print everyone else's dirty laundry.

Curious George
February 14, 2006 @ 1.09 pm
Kudos to LNO for coverage
-----While the newspaper apparently did not cover its
own story, nor has there been any comment from the
"Watchdog" columnist,-----

Good for you for reporting what we wouldn't see in the
mainstream media!! 

A loyal reader,
Susan
February 14, 2006 @ 12.38 pm
Euless Crime info

How come Euless doesn't have much, if anything posted on the web? I would like to see more info from Euless of all news.. 
Thanks

 Roger H
February 10, 2006 @ 1.46 pm
Hwy 360 opening

I haven't seen any articles about Hwy 360's opening. The new highway is just about complete. Can someone do an article about how the changes will affect commute. thanks

Roger Dean
February 10,2006 @ 1.46 pm
Hwy 360 opening

I haven't seen any articles about Hwy 360's opening. The new highway is just about complete. Can someone do an article about how the changes will affect commute. thanks

Roger Dean
February 6,2006 @ 3.53 pm
Likes Crime Coverage in Colleyville
Thanks to Linda Baker for her thorough coverage of crime reports in 
Colleyville. She is doing an excellent job! Is there a reporter I 
could contact that does the crime coverage of Bedford?

Thanks, Maureen 
Editor's Note:  Linda's excellent reporting skills come from her carefully reviewing police reports and digging for the in-depth story.  We do not have a similar talent in Bedford at this time.